Let's try to Identifi a RTC and a Tiger shovelnose' sex gender with pictures or video

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"I currently have two, S.A (SOUTH AMERICAN) REDTAIL CATFISH and Two TIGER SHOVELNOSE CATFISH(TSN) I Use to Own at least 10 of each catfish speices already."

Both of these are very hardy fish, if you have lost that many you need to look at your fish keeping skills.
 
when i move out i will build me a 6x14ft, 4H tank. I will hope, i can mimic the South American rain forest. I think it should be enough room for them to breed.
 
armac;519758; said:
"I currently have two, S.A (SOUTH AMERICAN) REDTAIL CATFISH and Two TIGER SHOVELNOSE CATFISH(TSN) I Use to Own at least 10 of each catfish speices already."

Both of these are very hardy fish, if you have lost that many you need to look at your fish keeping skills.


That is when i first started into keeping monster fishes 3 an a half years ago.(I feel bad for what i lost.)
 
Before sombody says any more about misinformation!

THis thread started as a, Just a Theroey.
 
Not sure, but on average females of catfish species generally attain a larger size than males for holding eggs and fasting while gaurding eggs and fry, males of most species also help with nest gaurding. To make a good comparison you would need to have dozens of specimens for comparison, and disection. Again I would think the most obvious outer signs are generally around the genitalia, although other species of catfish are more clearly defined. We're not even sure weather or not they can change sex as some amphibians and fish do when there's no male, or female around.
 
I agree with you sincerely Necroanis,

but don't you think, we should be able to tell from body shapes of the RTC and TSN, to able tell what is the diferent gender is? like how we can tell from other species like cichlids from lumps on their heads?
 
Redtail_Watcher;520374; said:
I agree with you sincerely Necroanis,

but don't you think, we should be able to tell from body shapes of the RTC and TSN, to able tell what is the diferent gender is? like how we can tell from other species like cichlids from lumps on their heads?

Not all species of fish, or any animal for that matter, show sexual dimorphism when looking at them from the outside. Just assuming that these catfish should and basing your theory off of this assumption would be a huge error in logic. Even if you, or someone else thought they observed some distinguishing characteristic, extensive research would have to performed for any type of assumption to be conclusive.

I realize this is just your theory and you are not trying to pass it off as fact, but I think you need to broaden your understanding of the scientific method. Versions vary, but the jist of the steps are more or less observe, describe observations, formulate hypothesis, create a control/experiment (sampling all possible causes), and drawing your conclusion.

In the case of these fish, dozens of specimens would need to be observed, disected, etc. before any conclusions could be made. Until then, any "theories" would just be hearsay.

That being said, it would be interesting to understand the differences between males and females of these species. It would bring everyone one step closer to breeding these fish, which would be SWEEEEET. But that is part of the fun for keeping catfish for me, the sense of mystery behind them, and the challenge to figure them out. They aren't like many cichlids, that will breed if you keep them submerged long enough. Breeding even corys (the easiest catfish to breed) is somewhat challenging, but that's what makes it fun.
 
thanks! The pictures are there to get people attentions... i guess it work because i just got alot of veiws already in like 4days!

This site or thread, is to get other people to understand different veiws and possiblity of questions like this.

The main reason i post it up because, there hasn't been a good thread about catfish for a long time! So i post it up so other people can see other people think about what is the sex gender of these catfishes really are. (because i have had hybrids of these before.)( i seen hybrids of asain RTC and Tsn Hybrid before)(that is a mean combo!)

and Keep posting yall, because i still want to know what you guys think about all this.
 
I would second Necrocanis information. In south american cats usually the females are larger for reproduction. As for the mouthbrooding I can't think of any off hand SA cats that are mouth brooders or many SA fish in general. Predominately the african catfish such as synodontis are mouth brooders(even though they use cichlids mouths) and its believed that the electric catfish is a mouth brooder as well.

Like Necro said as well you would need a HUGE pond or lake to breed them properly, there was a pic a while back floating around of a RTC breeding pond in south america, they were about an acre a piece and plumbed straight off the river for constant circulation and flow. As far as the 6ftx14ft pond being large enough, its possible but highly unprobable. If it was maybe 20ftx20ftx6ft that might be better because an adult red tail could reach 5ft and about 125-150lbs that would only leave the adult 1ft of swimming space in that direction. I wish you luck in your attempt though, I'm sure before long someone will figure out how to breed them in a private pond or uber aquarium. If your interested in breeding pimeloids I would try starting off with something smaller like a Lima or Tigrinus.

The first known breeding success of tiger shovelnose in captivity that wasn't a huge farm in south america was at University of Ohio back in march of this year. If I can find the like I'll post it but I was discussing it with the aquaculture professor responsible a couple weeks ago when I found the website saying that had successfully breed the TSN. Good luck in your attempt maybe in a few months I might try to breed Lima's or Tig's in my 12'x5'x2.5' pond. I hope that soon someone is able to breed pimeloids on a regular basis. ~Trent
 
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