Lionfish caught in Florida

[Louie]

i am suprised it could live in the cold waters up in the NY area

I imagine they die in winter having lived in NY its water that actually freezes even at beach close to the shore its freezing water at min very cold come winter even out in depths.
When saltwater freezes and freezes going out some distance you know its COLD.

I dont care where they find them Japan,Korea (IF thats true and IF they find them yr after yr which I am not sure is the case) .
Its freezing cold water. I have gone out in boats fishing in Oct and the water is cold.

I think the exotics like lion fish wind up there come Summer than die .

 

[Louie]

I imagine they die in winter having lived in NY its water that actually freezes even at beach close to the shore its freezing water at min very cold come winter even out in depths.
When saltwater freezes and freezes going out some distance you know its COLD.

http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Pterois_volitans.htm

One type lion is native to SOUTH Korea which is much warmer than NY waters in feb. South Korea is very different than N.Korea temp wise .
Ny water temps even at depths in Feb average 60 degrees cant fathom a lion fish living in that




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[Kdcarey]

I see so the guy who posted pics of all the baby lions he caught not to mention they are caught year after year are there because they are released yr after yr in such numbers in NY lol yea okay

Dude we have told u and stated tht their r breeding colonies on he east coast and tht they were established from released fish. . . . . . PERIOD!
So dont talk bout stupid plants carrying baby fish across the world over the largest oceans. Not gonna happen. They are babys who were born from the babys of released fish. he probably is catching anywhere from f2- f8 fish

 

[Ash]

I didnt bother reading the entire thing but in scuba class we had a lady who has been doing the head research on the lionfish population in the Caribbean and fl., we also had to do a report on it. They are not an invasive speices soely from people realeaseing them, many were released when hurricane andrew hit, there were petstores off of A1A and when the hurricane hit not only did it take down the petstores, but what do you think happened to the fish? they swam into the ocean, the hurricane tore up the stores, tanks broke and fish swam into the flood water and alot of the lion fish survived. Also when ships cross the seas for pet trade some manage to get loose into the ocean and of course the many careless people who realease them. Not all of the lion fish along the east coast were put there by carless people (A LARGE Marjority of them are from carless owners, but the hurricane also had a profound imapct on it), some of it was accidents such as what happened with hurricane andrew (and if you dont believe me look it up on the internet the hurricane andrew petstores are the first thing you will usually read about), hurricane andrew had a big impact on alot of the lion fish that are currently inhabiting FL. Also many of them have came to the US from the Caribbean, as they were already an established invasive species there. There are also a lot of spear fishermen who have started different programs to take these fish out as they have no natural predators here or in the Caribbean. Its a big problem, but people are working to try to stop the spreading of them. The lionfish are established along the east coast, including the northern section.

 

[Fish Finder]

I didnt bother reading the entire thing but in scuba class we had a lady who has been doing the head research on the lionfish population in the Caribbean and fl., we also had to do a report on it. They are not an invasive speices soely from people realeaseing them, many were released when hurricane andrew hit, there were petstores off of A1A and when the hurricane hit not only did it take down the petstores, but what do you think happened to the fish? they swam into the ocean, the hurricane tore up the stores, tanks broke and fish swam into the flood water and alot of the lion fish survived. Also when ships cross the seas for pet trade some manage to get loose into the ocean and of course the many careless people who realease them. Not all of the lion fish along the east coast were put there by carless people (A LARGE Marjority of them are from carless owners, but the hurricane also had a profound imapct on it), some of it was accidents such as what happened with hurricane andrew (and if you dont believe me look it up on the internet the hurricane andrew petstores are the first thing you will usually read about), hurricane andrew had a big impact on alot of the lion fish that are currently inhabiting FL. Also many of them have came to the US from the Caribbean, as they were already an established invasive species there. There are also a lot of spear fishermen who have started different programs to take these fish out as they have no natural predators here or in the Caribbean. Its a big problem, but people are working to try to stop the spreading of them. The lionfish are established along the east coast, including the northern section.

100% fact that is stated. Being in the trade and a fellow collector this is the story i have herd and has been proven.

If ppl would like me to start a thread about what spices are found in NY that come up with the stream and what one's are native in the sw fish section just ask.

 

[spotfin]

If ppl would like me to start a thread about what spices are found in NY that come up with the stream and what one's are native in the sw fish section just ask.

Yes, that would be good. I'll add things that have been found in Maine waters too.

 

[Louie]

Dude we have told u and stated tht their r breeding colonies on he east coast and tht they were established from released fish. . . . . . PERIOD!
So dont talk bout stupid plants carrying baby fish across the world over the largest oceans. Not gonna happen. They are babys who were born from the babys of released fish. he probably is catching anywhere from f2- f8 fish

"Dude" I never said lions travelled in sargasum seaweeds but other fish do I have caught angler fish in mats of seaweed which were shaken out in bucket of sewater .
I still think baby lionfish can travel with the tides ESP as NY waters are to cold in winter. reading the post about hurricans,etc that makes sense but they can easily than travel from Florida to NY .
Understand that ?

 

[Louie]

Yes, that would be good. I'll add things that have been found in Maine waters too.

That would be great I thinks its amazing what is sometimes found in cold waters during the summer.

 

[Louie]

100% fact that is stated. Being in the trade and a fellow collector this is the story i have herd and has been proven.

If ppl would like me to start a thread about what spices are found in NY that come up with the stream and what one's are native in the sw fish section just ask.

I believe most of that but not " hurricane hit not only did it take down the petstores, but what do you think happened to the fish? they swam into the ocean, the hurricane tore up the stores, tanks broke and fish swam into the flood water and alot of the lion fish survived"

the fish wound up on the floor not swimming in few inches of water all the way to ocean.
Putting aside not many pet stores were that damaged as to include broken tanks the water wasnt several feet high except coast area and who knows how many pet stores there.
Tanks that were broken IF any fish wound up dead in store not "swimming" or being carried in inches of water to ocean.
Pet stores werent torn from their structure maybe broken window or not but worse case fish wind up on flloor dead not carried out to sea

 

[zerelli]

I did not read all of this, but what about bilge water stow-aways? Most marine fish are planktonic in their larval state aren't they? I would assume that larva in the bilgewater could end up across the world fairly easily a la the zebra mussel?