live feeders for snakes

[reptech]

OMG OMG Never feed live! The rats will ravage your snake in mere seconds!

Sorry, couldn't resist

 

[Ophiuchus]

Completely unnecessary response to an otherwise friendly, well thought out thread.

Oh, lighten up. You know its funny because people say that all the time.

 

[dde1878]

wow i didn't even read the 5 pages but am so surprised the thread is still going i am sure there are MANY GREAT COMMENTS this thread though. yeah right i know already there are people arguing and name calling and the such. shut this thing down.

 

[amehel0]

on the subject of the marine tank. there are many reasons why not to retain the sand and some as to why not. for starters reusing that sand once it has been stired up can lower your ph and raise your sulphate levls. both are not good but this only happens if the tank has been up for a a year or 2. secondly it isdefienntly not necassary to keep the existing wate and for a 125 is really inpracticle i can understand why you may want too but it is not necassery. it has a few benefits but not a great deal. on the other hand though keeping live rock is necassery.

 

[Ophiuchus]

on the subject of the marine tank. there are many reasons why not to retain the sand and some as to why not. for starters reusing that sand once it has been stired up can lower your ph and raise your sulphate levls. both are not good but this only happens if the tank has been up for a a year or 2. secondly it isdefienntly not necassary to keep the existing wate and for a 125 is really inpracticle i can understand why you may want too but it is not necassery. it has a few benefits but not a great deal. on the other hand though keeping live rock is necassery.

Sent you a PM; didn't want this thread going off-topic.

 

[Jessica Dring]

That could be true but we're splitting hairs. We're talking about very inexpensive pets to feed in the first place (Snakes). Live mice/rats require regular upkeep, food and water, bedding, one of those wheels to keep them from chewing each others legs off, etc. while frozen requires...a freezer. So, from a $$ position, we really are splitting hairs.
On a large scale (Like prof breeders) I think it is downright silly to feed live from a $$ perspective. I'll easily buy a hundred frozen mice right now for a 1/3 of retail price by simply talking to the pet shop and striking a deal with them.

And what if you defrost a load, and half of what youve defrosted isn't taken? You cant stick them back in the freezer. Hence you lose half your money.

Plus it takes pursading most of the time with F/T, which breeders generally don't have time for.

For very large scale breeders it is definately more cost effective to feed live.

My opinion? I prefer F/T for my own reasons. But I thought you may like some facts about their reasons having had this discussion with them. Not many breeders enjoy it, but as a sole income they need to for that extra profit.

 

[polish]

I like Rabbits and Snakes a like. I've held and handled both but never kept either. With that said the video is just showing life, in the Animal world there are no rules so we as humans take advantage of that. In the end it's not much different than me catching crickets and bugs outside and tossing them in my aquarium so my fish can eat. If you stick a giraffe in a shark tank, it'll get eaten. If you let a huge snake crawl around on your floor with a rabbit hopping around it's likely going to get attacked. The same as if a child was crawling in the floor. Now, all that aside there may be a better way to do it, the Rabbit could have been put out of it's misery much faster but again it's life. I personally was not expecting the rabbit to scream, that made me shiver a bit and was quite disturbing. The neighbors must think someone is being beaten within an inch of their life over there.

 

[Brooklynella]

And what if you defrost a load, and half of what youve defrosted isn't taken? You cant stick them back in the freezer. Hence you lose half your money.

Plus it takes pursading most of the time with F/T, which breeders generally don't have time for.

For very large scale breeders it is definately more cost effective to feed live.

My opinion? I prefer F/T for my own reasons. But I thought you may like some facts about their reasons having had this discussion with them. Not many breeders enjoy it, but as a sole income they need to for that extra profit.

You cannot prove factually that feeding live is more cost effective than feeding f/t. You were correct for stating your opinion but not as FACT.
Again, you are splitting hairs. Is there a less expensive animal to feed than a snake? Maybe Hermit Crabs?

 

[Brooklynella]

I like Rabbits and Snakes a like. I've held and handled both but never kept either. With that said the video is just showing life, in the Animal world there are no rules so we as humans take advantage of that. In the end it's not much different than me catching crickets and bugs outside and tossing them in my aquarium so my fish can eat. If you stick a giraffe in a shark tank, it'll get eaten. If you let a huge snake crawl around on your floor with a rabbit hopping around it's likely going to get attacked. The same as if a child was crawling in the floor. Now, all that aside there may be a better way to do it, the Rabbit could have been put out of it's misery much faster but again it's life. I personally was not expecting the rabbit to scream, that made me shiver a bit and was quite disturbing. The neighbors must think someone is being beaten within an inch of their life over there.

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I suppose you see nothing wrong with Dog fighting then? Cock fighting? Afterall, it's just a matter of the dogs/roosters doing what's natural to them, right? Nothing wrong with people putting them in a position to fight (And putting it up on youtube).
Snakes eat rabbits sometimes. Yeah, I get that. Feeding a too large rabbit to a smallish snake and making a video is a bit sadistic. The guy who made the video is a jackoff.

 

[Jessica Dring]

You cannot prove factually that feeding live is more cost effective than feeding f/t. You were correct for stating your opinion but not as FACT.
Again, you are splitting hairs. Is there a less expensive animal to feed than a snake? Maybe Hermit Crabs?

Eerr Yes I can.
Here in UK, it bloody well is my love.

Like I said I know a large scale breeder IN THE UK..and had a discussion with him on why he feeds live. He said after years of feeding f/t, he decided to try live by reccomendation as he couldn't get all the animals fed within a decent time limit and the cost for f/t was going through the roof. He switched to live and found it very cost-effective.
Unless you live in UK and know our prices and how things are done here, you can't really argue with my proof.

Whats YOUR proof HERE IN THE UK it is more expensive to feed live? He breeds is own mice and a large scale, and his buisness is doing really well.

Like it or not, that is my proof breeders in UK on large scale find it more cost effective.
Like I said, feeding a mouse for one more extra night should the snake not take it is alot more cost effect HERE than buying another f/t mouse for the next day.