Live vs Pellets?

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The key to all this is variety, healthy feeders, and some vegetable matter.

Many people say "my fish eat nothing but massivore" like its some kind of accomplishment. Fish need MANY different types of food in their diets. They should have a few staples of different varieties of good pellets, at least one of which containing vegetable matter, and for most fish, feeders. And not alot of cyprinids for feeders. Cyprinids aren't very good feeders supposedly.

If you keep predatory fish, they should get feeders at least once a week. You're already keeping the fish in a glass box, but now you're not feeding it what it wants? I keep predators so i can see them hunt, that's why i like them. I'm sure a lot of others do as well.

If the feeders are kept in good conditions, then they're okay. You think fish don't get live food in the wild? The fish in the wild sometimes have parasites too, and sometimes the fish die, but fish have built up resistances to alot of parasites. If the feeders are healthy, gutloaded and not cyprinids too often, then they're okay.

My predators get:

Prawn or silversides stuffed with Tetra cichlid sticks, Massivore, or Wardley algae wafers. They get these every day of the week, with a day off every once in a while for digestion.

And.

Convicts i have breeding in our outdoor horse watering trough which is coated with algae and always has bugs falling in it. So the cons are gutloaded with vegetable matter. They get a few of these 2 or 3 days a week.


The vegetable matter is a hugely crucial part of our fish's diets that we're very often forgetting. The fish are always going to get some vegetable matter from their prey in the wild, the prey often are herbivorous. They need some vegetable matter in their diets.

Sorry for the rant.
 
Also reading that and a post from Lupin in the beginning, it sounds like reducing fish waste means lower fiber. Which also causes problems in the long run.
 
Lupin;3206184; said:
You seem to promote the Hikari products quite a lot, Superleggera. Could you please state your opinions without trying to be one sided particularly on a certain brand? State the pros and cons between live foods and pellets.

sorry lupin...
it's just i have seen to many fish die due to feeders..
 
hybridtheoryd16;3206168; said:
I agree, But a quick look at this thread will give you a crystal clear image of where this thread has gone. Thats why i was specific in saying if i was a cichlid keeper I would feed them pellets as well. Simple fish, simple methods,simple feeding.
My first response to you, was done at that time the thread began to lean on cichlids and other specifics. Nowhere in your first response to the first post, does it say cichlids specifically. Read first post and find out which of the first post when you responded to it, asked for cichlids specifically.

Languistic;3203677; said:
I know pellets are a lot healthier and safer than live, but I was also wondering if fish grow faster on pellets as well. Seems like they should given all the nutrients inside of them.

hybridtheoryd16;3203814; said:
pellets are not healthier or safer than a proper feeder fish. And the only reason pellets are sold by the billions is to support lazyness. Lets face it if feeders fish were free and easy to obtain year around and they were easy to keep healthy and disease free, the entire prepared fish food market would crash and burn. But they are not. They will become sick and diseased with out proper care. They cost on average more than a pellet or flake. And you have to take care of them, unlike a can of pellets that you set on a shelf.
 
fish waste is food that did not get digested and it is possible it had no nutritional value..
 
ok i will get right to the point and answer the question " which will help the fish grow faster"?

according to everything i have seen and read today
.. i would HAVE to say hands down hikari massivore
 
superleggera123;3206210; said:
fish waste is food that did not get digested and it is possible it had no nutritional value..
High fiber promotes a healthy digestive tract! It also clears any build up of waste that could be occurring. No nutritional value, but definitely healthy!
I bought hikari cichlid staple specifically for the fact that it has higher fiber than other pellets.
 
superleggera123;3206204; said:
sorry lupin...
it's just i have seen to many fish die due to feeders..
I can understand where you are coming from, Superleggera however if precautions are taken, most live foods are not an issue.

Folks, I am noticing the pattern here. OP asked for live foods, not live fish specifically so could we please cover this one, not just feeder fish anymore? Some opinions done are still too narrow and covers mainly the feeder fish.

gobucks1;3206198; said:
The key to all this is variety, healthy feeders, and some vegetable matter.

Many people say "my fish eat nothing but massivore" like its some kind of accomplishment. Fish need MANY different types of food in their diets. They should have a few staples of different varieties of good pellets, at least one of which containing vegetable matter, and for most fish, feeders. And not alot of cyprinids for feeders. Cyprinids aren't very good feeders supposedly.

If you keep predatory fish, they should get feeders at least once a week. You're already keeping the fish in a glass box, but now you're not feeding it what it wants? I keep predators so i can see them hunt, that's why i like them. I'm sure a lot of others do as well.

If the feeders are kept in good conditions, then they're okay. You think fish don't get live food in the wild? The fish in the wild sometimes have parasites too, and sometimes the fish die, but fish have built up resistances to alot of parasites. If the feeders are healthy, gutloaded and not cyprinids too often, then they're okay.

My predators get:

Prawn or silversides stuffed with Tetra cichlid sticks, Massivore, or Wardley algae wafers.

And.

Convicts i have breeding in our outdoor horse watering trough which is coated with algae and always has bugs falling in it. So the cons are gutloaded with vegetable matter.


The vegetable matter is a hugely crucial part of our fish's diets that we're very often forgetting. The fish are always going to get some vegetable matter from their prey in the wild, the prey often are herbivorous. They need some vegetable matter in their diets.

Sorry for the rant.
The post above covers feeder fish as I suspected. Other live foods such as mealworms should not be overlooked.
 
ok its simple then..

mix massivore
staple
gold
and VOILA
and of course the frozen foods
and live foods like mealworms and insects
 
superleggera123;3206177; said:
ok lets get straight to the point
LIVE VS PELLETS..

Pellets Pros.. (hikari)

Massivore Delite is a complete, nutritionally balanced formulation, developed for BIG carnivorous fish whose main diet of live food tends to cause nutritional deficiencies. Using Massivore Delite instead of live foods reduces the chance of infection from parasites or bacteria found in most live foods while eliminating the pollutant effect many live foods can create.

  • Each Pellet Contains The Caloric Equivalent Of 1.8 Average Goldfish
  • Each Package Contains The Caloric Equivalent Of More Than 2,500 Goldfish
  • Promotes healthy form
  • Helps reduce fish waste
  • High in stabilized vitamin C to reduce stress and build immunity to disease
  • A well balanced combination of nutritious ingredients designed to stimulate appetite
  • Bio-Technology allows us to use the highest grade of caroteniods available today to help your fish develop their natural, brilliant colors and maintain them
Monster Pellet Absorbs Water Quickly & Softens For Ready Acceptance
Sinking Quickly & Will Not Cloud The Water
Free Of Parasites & Bacteria Common With Live Foods




live pros
~ THE FISH CAN cHASE THEIR FOOD.. yay!
  1. Why do they fill the need to keep referencing goldfish? HMM
  2. Why do they have to add something to stimulate the fishes appetite in such a great pellet? hmm
  3. caroteniods, another addative to simulate a live feeder. HMM
  4. Added vitamin C to reduce stress from being starved. HMM ---thats a joke or is it.
 
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