LMB and foods other than pellets and shrimp!

[Chad55]

First lets show people why you say this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXsRSdITzBs

You mean to tell me that you watched this video and made this post??

You say any kind of animal right? What about feeding small children to alligators ? Last I saw children aren't poisonous. You might say "well your nuts comparing a mouse to a human" and I'd agree but I'd also call you nuts for comparing a fish to a mammal.

The simple fact is he made that mouse suffer for no apparent reason. If he wanted to kill the mouse in a humane way and then feed it to the bass then I would be so offended. I think intentional drowning a mouse that's obviously way too big for a fish is simply irresponsible. Then this guy has to teach his children how to torture animals.

If this guy wanted to take that very same mouse and feed it to a snake, I would be all for it.
Sorry but this simply breaks the moral code that should exist in all of us. We're here to make a nice place for creatures to live and be healthy, not watch the last breath of a helpless mouse.

If enough of this stuff goes on, you'll see laws enacted stopping the inhumane treatment of all animals in the home aquaria. With the way legislators behave these days, we'll all suffer from the actions of a kid that isn't even old enough to vote.

If you feed live mice to be a tough guy or to show how yough your fish is then please don't take videos of it and don't post about it in a public forum. It simply doesn't do our hobby any good.

Oh one more thing...I don't think we need to point out individuals. That is just wrong. I made this thread with the intent on speaking of this topic in general not a single person and I think it is very wrong that you come out and challenge his parenting skills on a public forum. Sorry for so many reposts.

Chad

 

[drewish]

I tried not to respond but I have to.

1. It is not healthy to feed fatty animals which include goldfish and mice to fish.
2. It is not necessary to do so.
3. It is not necessary to do so... did I say that already?

The only reason to do so is... actually there is no reason to do so. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Chad55]

I will agree that it is not necessary and there is no reason to do it. BUT I really don't think it would hurt a bass to feed one pinkie in a lifetime. Like I said though I would not do it more than that really. Something to see... well not really because it is rather boring to watch. I am just trying to make a statement here that one pinkie would not kill a bass.

Chad

 

[sandtiger]

I will agree that it is not necessary and there is no reason to do it. BUT I really don't think it would hurt a bass to feed one pinkie in a lifetime. Like I said though I would not do it more than that really. Something to see... well not really because it is rather boring to watch. I am just trying to make a statement here that one pinkie would not kill a bass.

Chad

No, one pinky would not kill a bass but it would not provide much either, so why do it in the first place? Something to see? IMO there are a lot more interesting things to see.

 

[teleost]

And I don't see where you get off making it ok to make a fish suffer but a mouse...that is just plain terrible. I do not understand that

A mouse is a mammal. Can't you see a difference between a mammal that feeds it's young breast milk and a creature that may provide no parental care at all?

Oh one more thing...I don't think we need to point out individuals. That is just wrong. I made this thread with the intent on speaking of this topic in general not a single person and I think it is very wrong that you come out and challenge his parenting skills on a public forum. Sorry for so many reposts.

We're not here to just pretend other don't exist. This is in topic and shows the parenting skill this knucklehead has. He's a bad father and probably has been arrested for general douchebaggery in the past.

Also...never claimed to have a BAD bass. My bass is quite small infact and pretty friendly. 5"

Chad, please don't think I'm holding some nasty grudge for you. I wasn't speaking directly to you when I said that and don't believe for a second that you have some macho thing with your bass. If I did I wouldn't waste my breath in this thread.

I just want to have a respectable hobby where we don't need congressional over site for humane treatment of animals. If you want to feed your bass the most expensive and rare mammals you go right ahead, just please don't take videos and make them public.

 

[sandtiger]

A mouse is a mammal. Can't you see a difference between a mammal that feeds it's young breast milk and a creature that may provide no parental care at all?

Though I understand the point you're trying to make I don't put mammals on a pedestal just because they evolved the ability to feed their young from modified sweat glads. I don't agree with the feeding of mammals on a health basis, not a humain basis. I am a humain person, I don't want to see any animal suffer so I don't distinguish between a fathead going down the hatch or a mouse, the difference is that there is no good reason to use a mouse. I'm sure you can agree with that though.

 

[ewurm]

In the wild, a bass will eat anything it can that happens to interest it. In my house, my bass wil eat anything that happens to interest it and me, on a very limited basis. If bass kills an animal in the wild, it is welcome to do so in my house when I choose, if I think it's health won't be adversely affected.

 

[teleost]

Though I understand the point you're trying to make I don't put mammals on a pedestal just because they evolved the ability to feed their young from modified sweat glads. I don't agree with the feeding of mammals on a health basis, not a humain basis. I am a humain person, I don't want to see any animal suffer so I don't distinguish between a fathead going down the hatch or a mouse, the difference is that there is no good reason to use a mouse. I'm sure you can agree with that though.

I understand but it's more than a modified sweat gland that separates higher mammals from fish. With this logic you may as well feed an alligator a human since food is food and they often are fed higher mammal parts. No doubt the bass doesn't need mammal flesh to survive or be healthy. Your previous argument is excellent. Fish pellets are ground fish meal, grain and other crud. Not a whole lot of difference than feeding live other than safer and healthier to feed pellets.

 

[sandtiger]

I understand but it's more than a modified sweat gland that separates higher mammals from fish. With this logic you may as well feed an alligator a human since food is food and they often are fed higher mammal parts. No doubt the bass doesn't need mammal flesh to survive or be healthy. Your previous argument is excellent. Fish pellets are ground fish meal, grain and other crud. Not a whole lot of difference than feeding live other than safer and healthier to feed pellets.

Eh, this probably isen't the best time to debate this. Though I wouldn't feed a human to a gator personally I don't get worked up over it when it does happen. Being a human though, and a social group dwelling animal, I have a natural instinct to feel sorry for and defend a human being attacked by an alligator but it's just how I'm programmed, the way nature intended. The only reason I might favor humans is because I am one.
I also don't like our system of classification. Our levels of classification are just an excuse to put us on top of everything else. There are plenty of fish around today that evolved more recently then some mammals, just because they as an order are older, or because we understand them less does not make them "lesser" IMO. Many have intelligence that overlaps with that of smaller mammals, just in case you were useing that as the basis for your arguement.

 

[Chago09]

Ok well let me lighten up the thread for a minute..... I have had my LMB for about 8 weeks now. First five weeks I was feeding a dozen rosy reds or gold fish once a week. I left for three weeks during the holidays and returned yesterday. I went out and bought a dozen gold fish thinking this bass was starving after 3 weeks of no food. He barely got excited. I always have to turn the lights off to get him to hunt. Once I did he chased a couple, bit them and if they wiggled the slightest bit he let them go. I think eventually he got one and ate it. He keeps chasing them all day but doesn't put much of a effort forth. This morning like 6 were just dead on the filter intake. Does everyones LMB act this way?????? HE used to be much more aggressive. I just read a lot of peope saying theres eat pellets???? how the hell did you get them to do that???? I tried every method possible, after I came home I fed pellets before I did the feeders and he didnt even look at them after 3 weeks of no food. My bass is about 5" and has grown and gained weight. He won't eat any pellets, or frozen food. I assume if it doesn't move he won't eat it. What are good live foods that can be fed??? how often do you guys feed??? and someone said goldfish are no good to feed because they are very fatty.... would it be a good idea if I had a 30 gallon convict breeding tank, and feed the convict babies???