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Pumpkinseeds get bigger than bluegill...

I think you have that reversed. Both in terms of record sizes and also average sizes, Bluegills tend to be one of the larger sunfish, definitely larger than Pumpkinseeds on average. These, along with Rock Bass, are the two most common sunfish that I fished for throughout most of my life in Ontario. Bluegills were always the bigger guys, usually by a significant margin.

All-tackle record for Bluegill is over 4.5 pounds; Pumpkinseed is less than 2 pounds. Yes, these are record-book "freaks" but it illustrates the comparative size of the two species.

Edit: Oops, sorry Backfromthedead Backfromthedead ...I posted before I read your last comment. :)
 
Pike Livebearers, Belonesox, are super cool; think of them as Grass Pickerel from a different family. Much tougher to switch to non-living food IMHO; if your friend thinks that he is going to starve them for a week and then have them chowing down on pellets, he is in for a surprise. They need to be out-witted into eating non-living prey, and many aquarists don't seem to have the patience...or the guile...to manage it. Easy to breed but tough to get the babies out before they are all eaten. My idea of breeding fish consists of throwing adults into a tank or pond, and then removing a bunch of inch-long fry a few months later. You won't get many Belonesox fry if you follow that method; they have large broods, many dozens of fry from a big female, but very few survive even a couple of days in even the most densely-planted tanks. You manage to snag out a few if you are lucky enough to find them shortly after birth...and then you have a bunch of carnivorous, cannibalistic psycho-guppies that all want live food, which usually turns out to be...each other. You even need to watch out for the adult females, who get much bigger, eating their adult mates. But...as ferocious as they look...they are not really aggressive to similar- or larger-sized fish.

How about African Leaf Fish, Polycentropsis? I had one many years ago, I think P.abbreviata. They stay small (three inches +/-), have big mouths and big appetites. Predatory but not aggressive, i.e. an eater but not a fighter.

There is also the very similar Polycentrus from, I believe, South America. Never had one but they sound like pretty much the same deal, maybe even smaller in maximum size.

"Predatory" and "aggressive" are two completely different things. Predators eat anything that is an appropriate size, which can include some pretty bit prey for the large-mouthed jobs like these guys...but they aren't necessarily aggressive in their interactions with other fish that are too large to eat. On the other hand there are plenty of aggressive herbivores and omnivores (many cichlids, for example), i.e. fish that eat greens but just like to push other fish around for gits'n'shiggles, without actually eating them. I knew a Goramy once, owned by a friend, which would attack and eventually kill just about anything in the same tank...but never ate even the smallest guppy.

If your friend simply must have both...a carnivorous diet and a bad attitude...and wants to keep the thing in 30 gallons...I dunno what to say.
its sounds dumb and I tried to tell him...he basically wants to see it eat other fish...I appreciate the info and the distinction. I was lazy with my words to get suggestions and appreciate the clarification. He IS hellbent on the 30 gallon for some reason, while he has an empt 55 sitting right there. No idea why. I've even offered an old 100gal to him to no avail. No idea why, but since I was still interested in learning about new fish...I wanted to ask...very much appreciate the info/help. I am trying to steer him away from multiple bad choices and everyone here is helping a lot. Thanks again.
 
Maybe in your area...ive never seen pumpkinseed bigger than 6" and personally caught many bluegill over 10" and very chunky.
I keep warmouth, bluegill, coopernose, mayans and tilapia....I was talking to his GF and I offered/suggested the same thing (essentially) and she said, "yah...I don't think he's gonna go for a sunfish...." hahahahaha. The warmouth are my favorite to this point... I have to be careful not to flash/show the food outside the tank cuz the warmouth will actually hit the glass trying to get at it....not just wiggle excessively in excitement....lol. Would be perfect, but again...his judgement is MEH.
 
I think you have that reversed. Both in terms of record sizes and also average sizes, Bluegills tend to be one of the larger sunfish, definitely larger than Pumpkinseeds on average. These, along with Rock Bass, are the two most common sunfish that I fished for throughout most of my life in Ontario. Bluegills were always the bigger guys, usually by a significant margin.

All-tackle record for Bluegill is over 4.5 pounds; Pumpkinseed is less than 2 pounds. Yes, these are record-book "freaks" but it illustrates the comparative size of the two species.

Edit: Oops, sorry Backfromthedead Backfromthedead ...I posted before I read your last comment. :)
I'll have to look. He's in Maine and I know there are some bass they are not allowed to have there. We have friends from Maine to NY to TN to FL and another friend who travels the coast...so...we are able to help/trade fairly easily. Thanks again for the time and info.
 
I'll have to look. He's in Maine and I know there are some bass they are not allowed to have there. We have friends from Maine to NY to TN to FL and another friend who travels the coast...so...we are able to help/trade fairly easily. Thanks again for the time and info.
I think a gulper cat would be cool but it will need the 55 depending on how big it gets
 
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I would personally have no problem keeping a group of smaller sunfish like pumpkinseed or redbreast in a 55. Bluegill are one of the larger growing sunnies but they could be fine too.
Yes. I caught a massive bluegill (my biggest ever) and was gonna keep it in my BG tank...and put it in a bucket. I went inside to get a tape measure and move the tank to the porch...and it jumped out and was flopping on the grass. I was coming out to ensure no espace to the pond and apparently, a small gator ALSO noticed my monster blue gill and was attempting to eat it. The BG was so big, it couldn't get it down and dropped it and when I went out to get it, it scooped it up and hightailed it to deeper water. If you've never seen a gator swim with it's head above water...trying to swallow something too big for it's throat...it's rather comical and awkward at the same time...I have a video somewhere...was so mad it got that fish...lol. Here's a SS of the video: 1688934916460.png
 
Yes. I caught a massive bluegill (my biggest ever) and was gonna keep it in my BG tank...and put it in a bucket. I went inside to get a tape measure and move the tank to the porch...and it jumped out and was flopping on the grass. I was coming out to ensure no espace to the pond and apparently, a small gator ALSO noticed my monster blue gill and was attempting to eat it. The BG was so big, it couldn't get it down and dropped it and when I went out to get it, it scooped it up and hightailed it to deeper water. If you've never seen a gator swim with it's head above water...trying to swallow something too big for it's throat...it's rather comical and awkward at the same time...I have a video somewhere...was so mad it got that fish...lol. Here's a SS of the video: View attachment 1522044
Seems no matter how big bluegill get they can't catch a break. I've found foot long bluegill (alive) on the shore that I had to push back in. Swam off just fine. A guy I knew caught a big male about the same size with a scar from a muskie bite on its side (at least I assume it's a muskie since that's what's in my lake)
 
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Pike in general, was my favorite fish when I lived in NY. I wanted one so bad...then I moved to FL and now have a gar... I still dream of a pike though....as I think it would be easier to keep than a gar as far as tank setup/measurements and decor etc. I'm more creative at tank lanscarpes and my gar/tank is fairly limiting what I can do and not infringe on his ability to swim/turn/live comfortably...lol.
 
A 55 and a 75 have the same length, so if you can fit a 55 you can probably fit a 75.


I think an african leaf-fish, african butterfly fish, and a senegal bichir would be a great mix in that size tank. This trio offers 3 very different hunting methods+ 3 very different looks. They are also flexible when it comes to tank mates if you want to add something different later on, generally leaving fish they can't swallow alone. I previously had a 75 gallon with this trio, a group of congo tetras, and a red jewel cichlid that was fun as well as pleasant to look at outside of feeding time.

If you must stick to a 30 then your options are more limited. One of the already mentioned lurker puffers(like the congo) would have the most "wow" factor when feeding although might not be visually interesting when food is not present.
I know...I appreciate the info...his GF is the rational one...no idea why he's being stubborn, but, I'm letting her deal with that. I'm just the middle-man with the info and recommendations...lol. Plus I'm learning some new cool stuff and am not eyeballing my extra tanks with the awesome info I'm getting. Appreciate it!
 
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