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]Success with discus comes from constant water changes with a very low ph even 5 is great and a high temp[/B]. Where you get them does not really matter as long as they are healthy and your ph is low and the heat is high 82 at a minimum. Your choice for tank mates is fine as long as they are all healthy with the same resistances to the same things. this is where quarantine tanks come in. The smaller the discus the less stress they will have with shipping. They will still be stressed. At receiving them they need to be quarantined to get use to your water and de-stress. This is the main time they are going to 'catch' something from the other fish. There are many individuals that think they can just add discus and expect them to do well like other tropicals. They do not have the same thing going on. At this stressed time they pick up stuff they have not encountered before and in just a mater of days start to show signs of the stress and disease. The buyer then blames the supplier and it is not their fault at all. I am defending all suppliers when it comes to discus.

As far as your tank. The fish you have planned are good but how big is your tank. With discus you need a low bio-load, low ph, high heat and low light. Not many plants will survive in this environment. Common sword plants will survive. For what you are planning to keep you need a big tank. Even hybrid discus do not tolerate nitrates over 10ppm well. I have made that mistake before.
I'm answering them from bold.
Can I get away with 6.0 for discus? I have a heater that can go up to 90 degrees so no worries. How do I keep my PH at 6.
Should I put the angels, festivums, and tetras in a seperate tank the day I get the discus? And QT them. How long do I need to QT the discus and what do I qt them with?
The tank is a 125 gallon (6') tank. I am going to use black sand ( have sand already), some driftwood to recreate the wild enviroment and fake plants most likely. How easy are plants to keep? I like live plants but don't want to add some that require lots of work.
Thanks for your help and sorry to bombard you with questions.
One last question, how do I clean driftwood and get it ready for the tank.
Chef Alex.
 
I'm answering them from bold.
Can I get away with 6.0 for discus? I have a heater that can go up to 90 degrees so no worries. How do I keep my PH at 6.
Should I put the angels, festivums, and tetras in a seperate tank the day I get the discus? And QT them. How long do I need to QT the discus and what do I qt them with?
The tank is a 125 gallon (6') tank. I am going to use black sand ( have sand already), some driftwood to recreate the wild enviroment and fake plants most likely. How easy are plants to keep? I like live plants but don't want to add some that require lots of work.
Thanks for your help and sorry to bombard you with questions.
One last question, how do I clean driftwood and get it ready for the tank.
Chef Alex.

6.0 should be fine no matter if they are wild or domestic.

How many tanks do you have available for QT? Ideally, I would recommend QT each species in its own tank, but that isn't really necessary. If you at least two tanks to QT, I would QT discus separate from the others and everyone else can be QTed together. Keep an eye on the festivum when they reach the 5-6" size range. Many festivum owners report increased aggression at those sizes and beyond that doesn't go away.

Black sand will do just fine, but if you want to really show the colors of the discus, focus on red colors. Reds show up better on the black sand, but a white sand will show better blues. So if you know what color discus you are getting, you may want to adjust the sand color to better show the primary discus colors.

I consider myself a person who keeps a close eye on all the parameters of my tanks, but I can't keep live plants to save my life. I can keep pretty much any animal alive (I do it for a living), but I have a black thumb where plants are concerned. The only plants I can keep without issue that do thrive are crypts. My java ferns are doing okay, but I wouldn't say thriving. All the other plants (swords, wisteria and many others) have just slowly died. It may have something to do with my water, but I have tried many things without success. Your experience may be different. I would recommend trying it. Get a small 20 or even a 10 and try to raise a plant tank to see if its something you are interested in trying. Live plants are beneficial to discus care because they help to remove nitrates (something discus are very sensitive to) even faster from the system and also lower the pH a bit (only by a small and rather insignificant amount). Fake plants don't add these benefits, but as long as you keep up with good water changes, it won't matter. For me, live plants have been a lot of work, but is mostly because I don't understand plants as well as animals and figuring out their needs has been more of a challenge to me. So I have been scrambling to figure out the proper care for them with little luck. However, I know some hobbyists who keep live plants with great success and minimal effort because they found what works for their plants needs.

There are some people who will boil their driftwood for an hour to speed the release of tannins, but tannins are not toxic to fish. In fact, many SA fish enjoy having them in their tank. Since I keep SA fish, I soak my driftwood in a bucket (fully submerged) for about a week and then add it right to the tank. There are some people who just add it straight to their tanks without a soak or boil period. The choice it up to you. I do recommend at least a boil or soak period rather than just adding it to a tank as some wood can pick up harmful chemicals, fungi or parasites that exposure to water will cause to be released (this is rare, but does happen). If you notice a clear slimy growth on the wood, this is common and not harmful in small amounts, but can cause sickness in large amounts (it will spread to other wood and ceramics). I have never been able to get rid of it and simply exchanged the driftwood for new wood. Some people report it disappearing after a week or two (didn't happen for me), some fish eating it (happened for me, but the fish couldn't counter the growth rate of this fungus), or it going away after boiling it for 30-60 minutes (did an hour and it was back in 2 days).


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Don't worry about your pH, as long as it is stable. Most of these fish are used to essentially neutral water. Test your tap, store it for a day with heat and air, then finally test THAT water. If the swing is less that 0.3, you should be fine. Don't buy into the low pH argument.
 
6.0 should be fine no matter if they are wild or domestic.

How many tanks do you have available for QT? Ideally, I would recommend QT each species in its own tank, but that isn't really necessary. If you at least two tanks to QT, I would QT discus separate from the others and everyone else can be QTed together. Keep an eye on the festivum when they reach the 5-6" size range. Many festivum owners report increased aggression at those sizes and beyond that doesn't go away.

Black sand will do just fine, but if you want to really show the colors of the discus, focus on red colors. Reds show up better on the black sand, but a white sand will show better blues. So if you know what color discus you are getting, you may want to adjust the sand color to better show the primary discus colors.

I consider myself a person who keeps a close eye on all the parameters of my tanks, but I can't keep live plants to save my life. I can keep pretty much any animal alive (I do it for a living), but I have a black thumb where plants are concerned. The only plants I can keep without issue that do thrive are crypts. My java ferns are doing okay, but I wouldn't say thriving. All the other plants (swords, wisteria and many others) have just slowly died. It may have something to do with my water, but I have tried many things without success. Your experience may be different. I would recommend trying it. Get a small 20 or even a 10 and try to raise a plant tank to see if its something you are interested in trying. Live plants are beneficial to discus care because they help to remove nitrates (something discus are very sensitive to) even faster from the system and also lower the pH a bit (only by a small and rather insignificant amount). Fake plants don't add these benefits, but as long as you keep up with good water changes, it won't matter. For me, live plants have been a lot of work, but is mostly because I don't understand plants as well as animals and figuring out their needs has been more of a challenge to me. So I have been scrambling to figure out the proper care for them with little luck. However, I know some hobbyists who keep live plants with great success and minimal effort because they found what works for their plants needs.

There are some people who will boil their driftwood for an hour to speed the release of tannins, but tannins are not toxic to fish. In fact, many SA fish enjoy having them in their tank. Since I keep SA fish, I soak my driftwood in a bucket (fully submerged) for about a week and then add it right to the tank. There are some people who just add it straight to their tanks without a soak or boil period. The choice it up to you. I do recommend at least a boil or soak period rather than just adding it to a tank as some wood can pick up harmful chemicals, fungi or parasites that exposure to water will cause to be released (this is rare, but does happen). If you notice a clear slimy growth on the wood, this is common and not harmful in small amounts, but can cause sickness in large amounts (it will spread to other wood and ceramics). I have never been able to get rid of it and simply exchanged the driftwood for new wood. Some people report it disappearing after a week or two (didn't happen for me), some fish eating it (happened for me, but the fish couldn't counter the growth rate of this fungus), or it going away after boiling it for 30-60 minutes (did an hour and it was back in 2 days).


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I only have 2 tanks. 75 gallon and 125 gallon.
 
I like snook21 but his discus are in the $120 range. I want to get a lot of discus and not spend in the $120 range for 1. If you he can get small 2'' ones for $40 I don't mind paying $10-$15 extra.

snook21 has lots of discus that are not in the $100+ mark. here is his stocklist as of april 14 that are in ur price range:

tefe green med 2 for $100
tefe large 2 for $130
heckel cross with blue meds 2 for $ $130
uatuma semi royal blue meds 2 for $125

and i know he had small heckels for $40 before and other small wilds 4 for $100. and if u want bigger ones. he has many that are like 2 for $150-$180 range. im sure u can work a better deal with him if u buy more. call and ask him for smaller ones or if hes gonna bring in another shipment in soon.
 
snook21 has lots of discus that are not in the $100+ mark. here is his stocklist as of april 14 that are in ur price range:

tefe green med 2 for $100
tefe large 2 for $130
heckel cross with blue meds 2 for $ $130
uatuma semi royal blue meds 2 for $125

and i know he had small heckels for $40 before and other small wilds 4 for $100. and if u want bigger ones. he has many that are like 2 for $150-$180 range. im sure u can work a better deal with him if u buy more. call and ask him for smaller ones or if hes gonna bring in another shipment in soon.

Thanks. I am going to try and work a deal with him. I would want 4 tefes and 1 uatuma.
 
Worked out a deal with snook21 or John. I am getting 2 manacapuru blue and red discus 3-4'' and 1 tefe green 3-4'' from him for $238 awesome deal.
Now can I house wilds with tank raised? I want 2 blue turquoise to go with them.
 
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