Making the switch to NLS.

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used to do shrimp, mollie feeders (home bred), freshwater multipack frozen, and scallops on a cycle for my cichlids.

changed to shrimp, scallops, and nls because it's cheaper. Didn't notice any color change (shrimp give my red O's their color) but I did notice some behavioral changes, mainly they harrass me more for food lol.

for me it's cheaper (I buy the floating 7.5mm in bulk) and is a good source of food, and it's easy, just toss a bit in over a few minute time period, then wait a few minutes and scoop out any that remain (usually none).
 
yogurt_21;4433667; said:
used to do shrimp, mollie feeders (home bred), freshwater multipack frozen, and scallops on a cycle for my cichlids.

changed to shrimp, scallops, and nls because it's cheaper. Didn't notice any color change (shrimp give my red O's their color) but I did notice some behavioral changes, mainly they harrass me more for food lol.

for me it's cheaper (I buy the floating 7.5mm in bulk) and is a good source of food, and it's easy, just toss a bit in over a few minute time period, then wait a few minutes and scoop out any that remain (usually none).

I got alittle jar of NLS afew weeks ago an now every time I open the lid they go ape ****... I think they like it :). Cant say I notice a color differnce however, but they are cons so matting colors are always coming an going.

Good work on the experiment Nfored.
 
I think someone else should do a similar experiment and post their results. I only have piranhas so i'm out of the running as we won't see a noticeable difference
 
Over the past decade or more, I've seen numerous "before & after" feeding trials involving NLS and other brands of food. I've also ran several of my own feed trials involving sibling fish. There are a LOT of factors that are involved in these types of feed trials, and depending on the species, genetics, age, sex, water quality, stress, hierarchy within the tank, etc, and the overall "control" conditions being used for ALL of the test subjects, the results can & often will vary.

Also, the statement on the New Life website clearly emphasizes that one will only begin to see enhancement in both color & vitality by the 10 day mark.

http://nlsfishfood.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=60

Feed New Life Spectrum® fish food exclusively for 10 days.

You will begin to notice enhancement in color and vitality of your fish or we will simply refund your money. Please Note: your fish will continue to improve in color and overall health over the next 30 days.

An exclusive daily balanced Spectrum diet will help prevent lateral line disease, fin erosion in surgeonfish, and hole in the head on angelfish.



IME by 30 days, in some species the difference in color alone was night & day, in others the change in coloration was very subtle, so much so that some people might not even notice it, especially if they are looking at the fish day in & day out. The same with overall vitality in a fish, this is something that is rather difficult to gauge in many species of fish. I know that even with some of my fish, until I actually went back & viewed some of my "before" photos, I hadn't noticed some of the subtle changes in color in the fish. With video it becomes even more difficult, still images (photos) are your best bet for determining overall color changes in the fish. Take numerous before photos (under the same lighting etc), and numerous after photos, and you just might be surprised what the human eye missed the first time around.

With regards to the poster that stated that shrimp give their Red O's their color, actually genetics is what give your Red O's most of their color.
The amount of astaxanthin (the red color enhancing agent) found in krill or shrimp (including the shell) is but a tiny fraction (80-150 ppm) of what is found in micro-algae feed additives such as Haematococcus pluvialis. (15,000-40,000 ppm) But there is a fine line between natural color enhancement, and unnatural color enhancement, where fish that are naturally yellow, begin to turn a very unnatural orange. Some commercial fish foods will actually bring about those types of results, typically due to their overuse of synthetic color enhancing agents, such as Carophyll Pink.

To a large extent this hobby is very much about visual impact. While there are those that will appreciate the behavioural characteristics of even the blandest colored fish most hobbyists want to see eye popping color, and for many hobbyists that's all they care about.

Personally I want to see color that matches the best looking specimens in the wild, but at the same time I want to provide the most nutritionally sound diet that I can offer my fish in the hopes that they reach their maximum potential health wise as well. If I can get 10 yrs out of a fish, vs 7 yrs, that too is important to me. If I can keep a fish healthy even when under the stress of captivity, or aggression from rival tank mates, for myself that's just as important as color.

My quest in the pet food industry began approx. 30 yrs ago, with dog food, and in that area you simply don't get the same visual dynamics as you do with tropical fish. Dog owners look at digestibility first & foremost, and everything else usually follows. A dog can have a great looking coat, shiny eyes, and white teeth, but if it's scat looks like it came out of the back end of a donkey, then it's obvious that most of what's going in, is coming right back out the other end. Of course when one doesn't have a "filter" picking that waste up each day, unless you live on a large acreage it's kinda difficult to miss.

In dog food digestibility of the food is EVERYTHING, yet with fish I suspect that most freshwater hobbyists don't give it a second thought, if they see decent color, in many cases that's probably all they care about.

But ... if you keep marine fish, especially some of the more difficult to keep in captivity species, this is where foods begin to play a much larger role beyond just color. You can't simply jack up a low grade food with astaxathin, marigold meal, and spirulina, and expect that it will keep that fish thriving in captivity. It's not that simple, and with the more difficult species you best provide them with the best of the best raw ingredients, or you can kiss that $200-$300 fish good-bye.

With many marine species, it's a matter of life & death.

Unlike many freshwater species, you simply can't keep species such as Moorish Idol, Rock Beauty, or Achilles Tang on a mediocre starch laced food & keep them alive, let alone thriving, let alone colorful. So for myself, I look for the best of both worlds, a food that will keep even the most difficult to keep species in captivity thriving in a glass cage, as well as provide great color.

IMO this is what separates a good food, from a GREAT food.
 
what about dainichi?
 
From a few yrs back ......

http://nycichlids.com/viewtopic.php?t=5069


Read that thread from start to finish, then ask yourself why none of the reps from Dainichi, that stated they would; "go head to head with anyone on this board, or any other board, concerning the quality of their pellet, over any other pellet on the market" .... wouldn't attempt to so much as even challenge a single comment that I made in that thread? They were clearly invited, more than once, and according to the vendor in that thread the Dainichi reps said that they would gladly join the discussion.

Perhaps after reading my comments they had a change of heart?


While I realize that comments such as in that link above may seem as though I take pleasure in beating up on some of these companies, that's not the case at all. It's more of a case of me wanting to see a LOT more accountability within this industry, instead of some of these corporations wasting most of their resources & funds on advertising, and slick marketing gimmicks. I have no doubt that some of the major manufacturers spend more money on advertising in a single month, than New Life has since their inception, almost 20 yrs ago.

Who do you think ultimately pays for those full page glossy advertisements in the various trade magazines?

Personally I would prefer to see a manufacturer put their money into what matters the most, such as the raw ingredients of their products.
Perhaps with enough consumer knowledge & public pressure some of these companies will eventually clean up their acts, which in the end is in everyone's best interest, no matter what brand they use.
 
I wonder why they never got around to giving their 2 cents in that thread. Seems odd.
 
I agree that there are many things that go into these trials, and I have also read many many people say the same thing; the changes where so slight it wasn't until later they saw them in pictures.

I feed my dog premium dog food for a long time, and saw changes in his coat. I care more about the quality of the food then the color of the fish. I want my fish to look healthy regardless of color and I want them to live as long as possible. This is why I would continue to use NLS regardless of the fact i see no color changes.

Thanks RD for all your informative insight and links.
 
No problem, glad to help.
 
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