Marbles' new tankmate. Odd dentured fello

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Blkpiranha said:
Yeah it's an old thread but maybe everybody scooping up the supposed FW eels should start reading threads like this before they buy and then whine and cry when the eel dies.

I was going to get a Gymnothorax Polyuranodon but now that I seen another example of the big fail in FW, I guess I will have to pass. No wonder you don't see to any progression threads on these eels...It's plain and simple they don't survive in freshwater.
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Really? Wes told me that the group he imported for Li is still doing well several years later in pure freshwater.

There's a giant difference between Polyuranadon and Slathe or whatever the giant slender Morays are. Mainly one can definetly live in FW and one might be able to with special care.
 
i reaserched f/w morays some years ago and my research sugested that there were several types that lived in freshwater.

i didnt have any luck getting any of them feeding even the ones that were aparently fine in freshwater died some weeks after purchase.

even after researching i beleive that people catch salti species in freshwater and then assume they live in fresh water, even if its an estuary or the area where the river meets the sea and so salinity changes as the tied does.

ive never heard of anyone successfully keeping any morays in freshwater *long term* but i would be happy to know if anyone has and even more so if they have kept them with rays.

sorry to hear of the loss even if its a little old.

nice rays all the same :)
 
^^ PM Neo and ask him about the polyuranadons, I've been told they're still doing fine. He has video of them up on youtube eating floating pellets.

IF Neos are doing fine and have been for years, how long before it's safe to say they can live in freshwater?

Fugupuff knows where they come from, I believe it is landlocked pure freshwater they reside in. Nobody knows better then the people harvesting about where they came from, and if the info is relayed correctly then they should be able to live a full life in captivity.

Far as keeping them with rays they seem to be on opposite ends of the freshwater side of things if rays come from soft acidic and the eels from hard water, higher PH, but if the rays are being kept in harder water I see no reason it couldn't work. I bet feeding time would be very interesting to say the least.

Thanks for the kind words. I did a poor job of caring for this eel. Should have QT'd him a few weeks in it's own tank, slowly raise salinity and just added it to the group of saltwater eels here. A lesson learned regarding the Giant Slender Moray.
 
DB junkie said:
Really? Wes told me that the group he imported for Li is still doing well several years later in pure freshwater.

There's a giant difference between Polyuranadon and Slathe or whatever the giant slender Morays are. Mainly one can definetly live in FW and one might be able to with special care.
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I was going to do the same as you and put it in with my rays but I don't want to take the chance on $150each. They are also newly imported so who knows what water they are in. I tried those "Freshwater Snowflake Moray" that were in the lfs many, many, years ago and the thing never ate for me and died within a month. Now these new ones have popped up and I was thinking of buying one but with a little research I don't think it would be a good idea. I still think it's a selling hype and they won't actually thrive in FW. Hence the no progression threads on this site. Just lots of "someone still has them in freshwater" but no proof. Might survive and eat for a while but not a healthy environment for them. The only word I take on the fish subject is somebody within driving distance, especially when ordering fish. Unless it's a fool proof hardy fish.
 
DB junkie said:
^^ PM Neo and ask him about the polyuranadons, I've been told they're still doing fine. He has video of them up on youtube eating floating pellets.

IF Neos are doing fine and have been for years, how long before it's safe to say they can live in freshwater?

Fugupuff knows where they come from, I believe it is landlocked pure freshwater they reside in. Nobody knows better then the people harvesting about where they came from, and if the info is relayed correctly then they should be able to live a full life in captivity.

Far as keeping them with rays they seem to be on opposite ends of the freshwater side of things if rays come from soft acidic and the eels from hard water, higher PH, but if the rays are being kept in harder water I see no reason it couldn't work. I bet feeding time would be very interesting to say the least.

Thanks for the kind words. I did a poor job of caring for this eel. Should have QT'd him a few weeks in it's own tank, slowly raise salinity and just added it to the group of saltwater eels here. A lesson learned regarding the Giant Slender Moray.
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thanks for the info. i doubt i will try keeping them again but i will probably have a search around all the same.

i personally love thinking outside the box and bringing about new ideas and new possibilities. just ignore the people who give you grief. nobody beleived in electricity for "several years" :D then all of a sudden ( after quite a few tries i expect ) someone cracked it.

wouldnt be suprised if its been said years before now that stingrays are incredibly hard to keep or aclimate and dont do well large public aquariums let alone home aquariums yet here we are all the same thanks to someone thinking outside the box and trying something new.

it might also help you to know that ive seen some regular users swear against xxx say how bad it is and shouldnt be how they would never be so cruel or so stupid etc etc etc only for them to do xxx themselves a year or so after saying it lol :D

if you would like a good example then i would say aquamans filtration systems are a good one. im sure many people would have said that rays couldnt live with the filter system before he actually did it but he has but the proof says otherwise and has encouraged others to use the same in the success he has had.

keep thinking outside the box, the sheep will fall off a cliff following the others at some point :D
 
Blkpiranha said:
I was going to do the same as you and put it in with my rays but I don't want to take the chance on $150each. They are also newly imported so who knows what water they are in. I tried those "Freshwater Snowflake Moray" that were in the lfs many, many, years ago and the thing never ate for me and died within a month. Now these new ones have popped up and I was thinking of buying one but with a little research I don't think it would be a good idea. I still think it's a selling hype and they won't actually thrive in FW. Hence the no progression threads on this site. Just lots of "someone still has them in freshwater" but no proof. Might survive and eat for a while but not a healthy environment for them. The only word I take on the fish subject is somebody within driving distance, especially when ordering fish. Unless it's a fool proof hardy fish.
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You're grouping several different species into the category of "Fresh water Morays". No different then calling any freshwater ray under 7 inches a "Tea cup" The ones from the LFSs you speak of are Gymnothorax Tile aka FW snowflake. Like you said in pure fresh they are iffy. Hard to get eating and prone to bacterial infections. Enough salt to call it brackish and they'll be fine up to 2.5' after that they need salt to keep going. I sold one I had for 4+ years and last I knew it was still going strong, but like I said salinity increased with size and eventually ended up full Marine. That is G. Tile. Different then Giant Slenders or FW Tigers.

Polyuranadon aka FW Tiger eels do fine in fresh. Want to call BS on the owner of this site's tank full of them then that's fine. Want proof PM him. I'm not the one doubting if they can live in it, I know they can. But that doesn't mean they'll work with rays. Rays may bite at them while foraging, or just for curiousity, and the eels will probably bite them at feeding time.

Giant Slenders are anyone's guess. IF they come out of land locked pure freshwater maybe they can live in it, maybe not. They're so friggin rare in the hobby we may never know.
 
Sorry, I stick to facts and evidence, not here say.President,Queen or whomever has them. A short video 3 min video doesn't do it for me. I just want to help fellow hobbyists know what they are getting into. I know of some people that are spending their hard earned money on these new flavor of the month eels(gymnothorax polyuranodon) thinking they are pure freshwater. Just want it out there that they may be disappointed when they find out their eel may die in freshwater. Just like the supposed FW bubble bee grouper. People selling these fish make enough on fish that they don't have to stretch the truth about it's enviroment or pretty it up with fancy names, etc. I guess I should made a new thread about the fictions and lies of fish selling or something along those lines.

Sorry my rant is over. Stuff like this just drives me nuts.
 
Blkpiranha said:
Sorry, I stick to facts and evidence, not here say.President,Queen or whomever has them. A short video 3 min video doesn't do it for me. I just want to help fellow hobbyists know what they are getting into. I know of some people that are spending their hard earned money on these new flavor of the month eels(gymnothorax polyuranodon) thinking they are pure freshwater. Just want it out there that they may be disappointed when they find out their eel may die in freshwater. Just like the supposed FW bubble bee grouper. People selling these fish make enough on fish that they don't have to stretch the truth about it's enviroment or pretty it up with fancy names, etc. I guess I should made a new thread about the fictions and lies of fish selling or something along those lines.

Sorry my rant is over. Stuff like this just drives me nuts.
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Explain how you are so sure they won't live in FW? Explain the "facts and evidence".

You should make a new thread. Share your expertise in all these fish that nobody's even kept long enough to know IF they can really live in FW....... The one's that you don't want to "chance" your money on. Why not just do some research, maybe contact someone keeping them, and find out how they kept them instead of just running to a thread like this and go out on a whim to warn hobbyists about being let down cause the people selling them the fish are just saying that to make a sale?

Wanna know what grinds my gears? People missing the point of why we're even here. It's to learn. It's to enjoy the process of learning how to care for these things when there is no instruction manual. Kind of tough to do if people stick themselves in a bubble of narrow mindedness and assume that nothing ever works and that they know what will and won't work and assume they know the outcome without even trying it.

No different then people thinking Aimara and rays or MBU and rays won't work.

IF we all wanted to conform to typical fish keeping rules would any of us be posting anything in this RAY section?

Less hate more appreciate. lol

Concludes my rant. :)
 
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