breman_sreyas I appreciate your input and great pics. Thank you. My males are obviously bigger and have less contrast, more subtle black / dark blotches and streaks, etc. To my utterly untrained eye you got two females there.
The male got sick about 6 months ago, then for a couple last months pretty much couldnt leave the bottom, I guess no air in the swimming bladder, finally died over couple of days. 7yo 12.5inch