minimum tank size for....
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I don't see how I was being "immature", I was merely expressing my agreement with what Rallysman said, in particular
I couldn't agree with this more.
and I'm sorry, but I'm still not understanding this:
If you admit that it's cruel to keep a severum in that size tank, then WHY RECOMMEND IT AS A MINIMUM TANK SIZE? Now, I can't speak for everyone that comes onto a forum and asks "what's the minimum size tank for...." but I'd be willing to bet that someone coming to a forum to ask that question is not looking for an answer that, in the words of the person giving the answer, is cruel. I have to believe that people who come here for advice are looking for answers on how to keep their fish properly, without being cruel to them. I for one would be more than a little upset if I came here, asked a question, got an answer and then later on found the person giving the answer saying that their suggestion was cruel. If the only tank you have to keep a fish in is admittedly cruel, then don't buy the fish. there are plenty of fish out there and if the one you like gets too big for a tank you have, then find something different
I couldn't agree with this more.
and I'm sorry, but I'm still not understanding this:
If you admit that it's cruel to keep a severum in that size tank, then WHY RECOMMEND IT AS A MINIMUM TANK SIZE? Now, I can't speak for everyone that comes onto a forum and asks "what's the minimum size tank for...." but I'd be willing to bet that someone coming to a forum to ask that question is not looking for an answer that, in the words of the person giving the answer, is cruel. I have to believe that people who come here for advice are looking for answers on how to keep their fish properly, without being cruel to them. I for one would be more than a little upset if I came here, asked a question, got an answer and then later on found the person giving the answer saying that their suggestion was cruel. If the only tank you have to keep a fish in is admittedly cruel, then don't buy the fish. there are plenty of fish out there and if the one you like gets too big for a tank you have, then find something different
Here's my 2 cents. Have you ever been to the chinese restaurant in old town? You know the one I'm talking about, every city has one. Inside that restaurant you find a fish tank, usually a knife of some type, at least 20" long, floating miserably in a 55g it can't even turn around in, or a full size pacu sitting in a 30g. . . It's not the nicest thing to do to a fish no doubt, but it can be done.
I don't want to take sides, but the fact is that he did say minimum, but it's not the message we need to be sending to people that are asking for our help. Yes you can have a severum in a 29g, it would survive. . . no, don't go do it. . . now let's all get over it and we can close this thread out. I doubt very seriously that the question was asked to find out what bare minimum is, more than likely it was a question of what would we suggest, minimally, for total happiness of this fish. Then again, a fish with emotions? Cichlids have 2 moods, pissed off and hungry. . . what else do you need?
Your very long winded friend in the fish trade. . .
--Jimmy
I don't want to take sides, but the fact is that he did say minimum, but it's not the message we need to be sending to people that are asking for our help. Yes you can have a severum in a 29g, it would survive. . . no, don't go do it. . . now let's all get over it and we can close this thread out. I doubt very seriously that the question was asked to find out what bare minimum is, more than likely it was a question of what would we suggest, minimally, for total happiness of this fish. Then again, a fish with emotions? Cichlids have 2 moods, pissed off and hungry. . . what else do you need?
Your very long winded friend in the fish trade. . .
--Jimmy
Jason_S said:
i think keeping a severum in a 120 gallon tank is cruel, if you read and understood my previous posts you would know the reasoning, minimum means least acceptable to keep in an aquarium in your home which is most likely cruel in my terms anyway, we all do this cruel fishkeeping (again in my terms), i guess what it means is i would not keep a severum in anything smaller than a 29 gallon, what rallysman said was directed at me with no exact basis of what i said and in a way put words in my mouth that i would keep a 8" fish in a 5 gallon or "my reasoning" would, where he got this reasoning from i do not know and i certainly don't appreciate it, your clapping is reinforcement for an unfounded foundation which is extremely uncalled for and that you meant to do
SphericalCube brings up a good point of what do fish really feel? what do they need to be happy? is it simply angry and hungry? who knows, maybe they do feel ok just to be wet, i'm sure they like some space though
i'm sorry, i fail to see how a 29 gallon tank that is 30x12x18 is not enough for 1 single adult severum of 8" with no tankmates and territories to fight over
you can tell if your fish are "happy" or not. I had my 8-9" male trimac in a 55 gallon. he was happy. then I had to temporarily move him to my 30 long, and all he did was sulk in a corner. once I had my 75 ready I moved the trimac in there and now I can tell that he's happy again.
I believe he got it from this
an 8" fish in a 10 gallon tank (20" long x 10" wide x 12" tall) would still have 4" to spare for turning around.
I think if anyone on this site could change the way those restaurants keep their fish they certainly would. We can't however change anything about those so again, all we can do is educate people on how to keep their fisn in a way that is acceptable and not "cruel". Oh, and a full grown pacu would literally not fit into a 30 gallon tank.
what I meant to do was show my agreement with the statement he made about not keeping fish if you don't have a tank big enough for them.
If you've ever seen a 12" oscar sulking in the corner of a 55 gallon tank then you'll know that fish need more than just food and water to be happy.
then I can only hope that you've never seen an 8-10" severum. I've seen several and I couldn't imagine keeping them in anything smaller than a 75 gallon (hence my original recommendation). One of the adult severums I saw was in a 55 gallon by itself, and it was sulking in a corner.
Fry said:
I believe he got it from this
fry said:
an 8" fish in a 10 gallon tank (20" long x 10" wide x 12" tall) would still have 4" to spare for turning around.
SphericalCube said:
I think if anyone on this site could change the way those restaurants keep their fish they certainly would. We can't however change anything about those so again, all we can do is educate people on how to keep their fisn in a way that is acceptable and not "cruel". Oh, and a full grown pacu would literally not fit into a 30 gallon tank.
Fry said:
what I meant to do was show my agreement with the statement he made about not keeping fish if you don't have a tank big enough for them.
Fry said:
If you've ever seen a 12" oscar sulking in the corner of a 55 gallon tank then you'll know that fish need more than just food and water to be happy.
Fry said:
then I can only hope that you've never seen an 8-10" severum. I've seen several and I couldn't imagine keeping them in anything smaller than a 75 gallon (hence my original recommendation). One of the adult severums I saw was in a 55 gallon by itself, and it was sulking in a corner.
Jason_S said:you can tell if your fish are "happy" or not. I had my 8-9" male trimac in a 55 gallon. he was happy. then I had to temporarily move him to my 30 long, and all he did was sulk in a corner. once I had my 75 ready I moved the trimac in there and now I can tell that he's happy again.
I believe he got it from this
an 8" fish in a 10 gallon tank (20" long x 10" wide x 12" tall) would still have 4" to spare for turning around.
I think if anyone on this site could change the way those restaurants keep their fish they certainly would. We can't however change anything about those so again, all we can do is educate people on how to keep their fisn in a way that is acceptable and not "cruel". Oh, and a full grown pacu would literally not fit into a 30 gallon tank.
what I meant to do was show my agreement with the statement he made about not keeping fish if you don't have a tank big enough for them.
If you've ever seen a 12" oscar sulking in the corner of a 55 gallon tank then you'll know that fish need more than just food and water to be happy.
then I can only hope that you've never seen an 8-10" severum. I've seen several and I couldn't imagine keeping them in anything smaller than a 75 gallon (hence my original recommendation). One of the adult severums I saw was in a 55 gallon by itself, and it was sulking in a corner.
so you feel ok putting a 8-9" fish in a 55 gallon with 3-4 inches to turn...talk about being hippocritical
10 minus 8 is 2, not 4..., and he said 5 gallon, not 10
oscars sulk, they are drama queens, i don't like putting 12" fish in 12" wide aquariums, i've already expressed that
and lastly, severums get 8" MAX, not 10", we're talking SL (standard length) which is not counting the tail
there is more than one reason fish sulk in the corner, such as when they were recently moved or is afraid of something
Fry said:so you feel ok putting a 8-9" fish in a 55 gallon with 3-4 inches to turn...talk about being hippocritical
10 minus 8 is 2, not 4..., and he said 5 gallon, not 10
oscars sulk, they are drama queens, i don't like putting 12" fish in 12" wide aquariums, i've already expressed that
and lastly, severums get 8" MAX, not 10", we're talking SL (standard length) which is not counting the tail
no, I absolutely don't feel ok keeping an 8-9" fish in a 55 gallon, hence the reason I moved him to a 75. for the math mistake and where I thought the statement came from that Rallysman said...my bad. as for severums growing larger than 8" SL (and yes I know the difference between SL and TL), well tell that to the ones I saw that were larger than that. you can believe me or not I really don't care. However, often times the sizes you see on websites as the "maximum size", what that generally really means is that's the size on average that most of them will grow in a tank. there is always the possibility that they could grow larger. Midas are supposed to max. out at 12" I have seen in person and in pics Midas cichlids larger than that. and yes, oscars sulk, I'll give you that, but so will any other large fish in a small tank.
