I think I see where Kioka is coming from. While the flight response of an animal kept in a trough style/open top enclosure isn't unnatural it is likely to be stressful. Whereas a monitor kept in an open front enclosure sees people at eye level and is more likely to behave normally. Also I'm thinking that when put that way most of us would agree. I do think that depending on the monitor they're likely to lose the flight response as they grow to recognize their regular keeper. I've kept monitors (and tegus) that were so comfortable that flight would be the last thing on their mind, and if anything they'd jump up to get to the food they probably figure is coming...while the one V. salvator I've kept would probably never have been comfortable in an open top enclosure like that. Just depends on the animal.
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Kioka;1475527; said:Then shouldn't the goal of everyone regarding captive care of animals be trying to make it less stressful for them as possible?
I hope you guys realized what I have just done.
What did you just do?
CTU2fan;1475970; said:
And I think you bring up a point about what type of animal it is V salvator of course will never fit in one, but at the same time these troughs are very ideal with odatriad which is more of what I am trying to bring to attention. Fossorial lizards, not semi aquatic or arboreal lizards that grow larger than 3 foot.
Kioka;1475527; said:
I hope you guys realized what I have just done.
Yes and at the same time trying to study up on as much of their instinctive behaviors as possible since we dont know much about them.
Kioka here you go pal, maybe youll be a little more content with this modification if you want to look at your animals at eye level. This works for both the "european style that you mentioned, and the trough style that you dont like" the trough is there for them to dig around and do natural things, like hunt underground build burrows etc. And then they have a view of their surroundings only through the front. This will eliminate the "adaptation" of that weird behavior you describe and that you dont think is natural. Whats it called again ? Terror from the sky?
jason longboard;1477265; said:
I dont understand jason? Gaps on top? What that is, is a skeleton which will then have FRP or plywood slabs cut to shape to fit around the design of the skeleton. Then it will be sealed with caulking (bio friendly) to fill in the little spaces to prevent humidity from escaping, substrate, etc etc.
Is that what you were asking about?
dang i should have spell checked,lol.The gaps around the TUB is what i meant,sorry.You know the corners but you say caulking that makes sense.
jason longboard;1477301; said:
You would also cut out a piece FRP, plywood to go around the top of the trough oval shaped of course and that would eliminate the gaps there as well on the trough. This works against attempted escapes.
I do a lot of baiting online. Just because they have to worry about it in the wild, it doesn't means it have to carry on in captivity if it does not interfere with their health. I say that because a lot, if not all, varanids do need diggable substrate to stay healthy. Although some of their main habitats are more terrestrial, animals do seem to be more lax if they have the option to see eye to eye or go above the keeper's head. That's my take on it.
Yes, I am aware of of the trough and full height vivarium, I was just thinking of the type of system, along with the tub system used with Bearded and geckos, that was used in the second post of the thread.
By European, I should say it's German because of the wonky animal rights law they have in Germany.
Yes, I am aware of of the trough and full height vivarium, I was just thinking of the type of system, along with the tub system used with Bearded and geckos, that was used in the second post of the thread.
By European, I should say it's German because of the wonky animal rights law they have in Germany.
