rednhot;1653980; said:
freeze dried foods are fine with gar and just about all other fish. trust me...ive been feeding them to my fish for years....ranging from gar to arowana to cichlids...etc. ive never had an issue with them eating it.
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freeze dried foods are fine with gar and just about all other fish. trust me...ive been feeding them to my fish for years....ranging from gar to arowana to cichlids...etc. ive never had an issue with them eating it.
how did you come to this conclusion. i'd like to read up on this.
besides if you had to chase a live big mac around before you were able to eat it, it cant be that bad for you...lol...jk
please believe me when i say that i don't doubt anything you do or say, just that i can say the exact same thing about the live diet i have feed my varied predators from tiger red-tailed shovel-nose cats, african asian and aussie arowanas, many types of cichlids, 24" pacu, piranha, spotted short-nose long-nose hujeta needle-nose alligator gars, payaras, dog characin, alligator snapping turtles, spectacled caimen,...and so on...and so on...
I feed my gar nothing but pellets and dried krill (with occasional frozen fish and shrimp). I notice a lot less feeder-chasing related injuries when they all eat dry foods.
rednhot;1654015; said:
quite frankly explaining and defending every statement made that has been proven to be effective over the years is a waste of time. the info is out there, some of it is here on this forum, much more is on AP, and more information is available in other media as well. in short:
frozen, freeze-dried, and pellet food is perfectly safe for gars. their teeth are very hard bony structures and perfectly durable with these foods...plenty of study on the morphology of gars has proven this...there was even a paper in 2005 (or 2006, not sure exactly) about gar biting strengths...any of them would be fine with pellets.
live prey vs non-live have their pros and cons...not using live prey has also been a good way to quell aggression, especially in community settings.
and i could list all the fishes i've used these techniques with as well (and then some reptiles and amphibians too)...but that's generally pretty asinine.
i would highly suggest running some searches and building a base of knowledge as to why people use these other techniques, as well as the morphology, biology, ecology as well as husbandry used by those who have kept gars for an extended period before challenging all the base principles.
this is not meant to be condescending or anything like that, it's just that this info is already out there in many forms, restating it just wastes time in most cases--
--solomon
ouch solomon!...i guess i should consider myself reprimanded.
i really thought that by being part of this forum after some time i could consider myself an advanced aquaculturist. i had no idea i had to be an expert from the beginning!!! i feel sorry for those joining to learn how to manage there very first predatory fish!(DO AS WE SAY...DON'T QUESTION!)
your right in anycase, i'm done playing devils advocate. so i'll just stick to my original plan. i meant to give my opinion that live food is best, even though science proves me wrong. also, to this day, i've never had any type of problems like the ones you all have mentioned. so i'll just go back to collecting ants with a stick, breaking open coconuts with a rock, and swinging from vine to vine in the jungle(my silly hairless ape ways).
...i still am allowed to have my own opinion aren't i?...or should i just do what i'm told, ie. believe everthing i read...? experts are generally the best in thier field, but even though, do not have the last word on any subject.
if your an advanced hobbist its one thing, but if your some kind of scientist, icthyologist, zoologist, or marine biologist you should let others know of your high stature so we can all bow to you when we enter this site!!!
why does this always seem to end up in a pissing contest?
this is the last i'll say in this thread as it, as mentioned before, is going no where fast.
thanks for the heated and challenging debates, i'll be around giving my opinions and talking about my experiences...like it or not. if you really feel you must debunk my words in the future, too bad, you will get no response. as i am unfit to teach you a thing about fish keeping i won't expect any questions from you or the other experts here, but i may ask a question or two from time to time, i hope you won't find it above you to repeat yourself again.
sorry for wasting everyones time. good luck in the future.
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---Art
p.s. - i think i got a little melodramatic...oh well...at least you can get a good laugh from it.
i really thought that by being part of this forum after some time i could consider myself an advanced aquaculturist. i had no idea i had to be an expert from the beginning!!! i feel sorry for those joining to learn how to manage there very first predatory fish!(DO AS WE SAY...DON'T QUESTION!)
your right in anycase, i'm done playing devils advocate. so i'll just stick to my original plan. i meant to give my opinion that live food is best, even though science proves me wrong. also, to this day, i've never had any type of problems like the ones you all have mentioned. so i'll just go back to collecting ants with a stick, breaking open coconuts with a rock, and swinging from vine to vine in the jungle(my silly hairless ape ways).
...i still am allowed to have my own opinion aren't i?...or should i just do what i'm told, ie. believe everthing i read...? experts are generally the best in thier field, but even though, do not have the last word on any subject.
if your an advanced hobbist its one thing, but if your some kind of scientist, icthyologist, zoologist, or marine biologist you should let others know of your high stature so we can all bow to you when we enter this site!!!
why does this always seem to end up in a pissing contest?
this is the last i'll say in this thread as it, as mentioned before, is going no where fast.
thanks for the heated and challenging debates, i'll be around giving my opinions and talking about my experiences...like it or not. if you really feel you must debunk my words in the future, too bad, you will get no response. as i am unfit to teach you a thing about fish keeping i won't expect any questions from you or the other experts here, but i may ask a question or two from time to time, i hope you won't find it above you to repeat yourself again.
sorry for wasting everyones time. good luck in the future.
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---Art
p.s. - i think i got a little melodramatic...oh well...at least you can get a good laugh from it.
rednhot;1656879; said:
to your statements, extracted and highlighted in bold:
- that will clear up a lot of congestion for everyone.
- yes, waste of time sums it up for the most part.
- yes, part of it was worth it for the laughs.
best of luck with those coconuts, and dealing with formic acid toxicity from the ants--
--solomon
Polypterus;1659115; said:Lower your head and Bow appropriately to your master.....lowly worm.......
respect the poet at work....