Monster Fish Keepers Book
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I agree 100%. And this is not being cynical, it's being a realist.
Other than the minimum 4 character limitation, what exactly is so broken with the Search function? I honestly don't get it?
I just did a random search, on "carpintis", and came up with countless pages of peer reviewed "care sheets". Diet, aggression levels, tank sizes, growth rates, maximum sizes, tank mate suggestions, tank mates that some wouldn't recommend, differences between female/males for ID purposes, different variants/strains collected over the years, hybrid crosses, even substrate types/comparisons - all covered in great detail for more than a decade for anyone that is dedicated enough to get off of their lazy arse and spend some time learning, before they leap.
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I agree whole heartedly. But today's / our next generation is like you said lazy and/or dont know how to do research. So you have to spoon feed them. But I'm sure even then youd still get the can i, what size, food, questions which is why I said to pm or reply with the correct link to said spec sheet and close the started thread.
Maybe we should just post a tutorial on what the search function is, and how to use it. in bold cheerful colorful letters - and then link to that? lol
I never was one to pamper adults, even young adults. Not knowing or understanding is one thing, laziness, - or worse, feeling entitled, is another. I still don't understand what is wrong with our Search feature? Plug a word in & sit back & glean the results of almost 15 yrs worth of information. That's not even doing research - that's something that most of todays 10 yr olds understand. GOOGLE = MFK Search function. HELLO? If someone is too lazy to read, I'm not going to waste my spare time helping build a road map for lazy people, that as Stan & Barrett said, will ultimately do what they please anyway. Instant gratification!
MFK for Idiots (read lazy) - coming soon to a bookstore near you!
I never was one to pamper adults, even young adults. Not knowing or understanding is one thing, laziness, - or worse, feeling entitled, is another. I still don't understand what is wrong with our Search feature? Plug a word in & sit back & glean the results of almost 15 yrs worth of information. That's not even doing research - that's something that most of todays 10 yr olds understand. GOOGLE = MFK Search function. HELLO? If someone is too lazy to read, I'm not going to waste my spare time helping build a road map for lazy people, that as Stan & Barrett said, will ultimately do what they please anyway. Instant gratification!
MFK for Idiots (read lazy) - coming soon to a bookstore near you!
Anyone on this site is welcome to add more knowledge. I did this as a 15 year old as you can see here. Any quality information is welcome on this website 
All good points IMHO in the above going pages. Thank you all.
I have a few thoughts.
[1] First, the best way (and my proposal is just an example) to me seems to require only the software changes at the beginning to offer a new format to the MFK community to populate with their input as time goes by at their own pace (call it anything from e-manual to blogs and data/care sheets to YouTube channel). I don't think a dedicated effort by however many MFKers over weeks, months or a year is realistic. This is a hobby and life dictates its priorities. I believe we need to set up a new process, an additional one, to live by and let everyone contribute at their pace but with understanding that if they say yes, I support it, an earnest effort would be expected from them to be invested over a year and beyond. Again, I believe all must row the boat, each exactly proportional to their best and convenient ability. Don't ask anyone to bend over, backwards or not.
[2] Second, let lazy be lazy. I get Stanzz and RD but in a way they are also saying - we can't change it overnight or over week, or over a year, so we won't even try, forget it. Be that as it may, but this doesn't suit me. Perhaps the lazy and careless are 99% but there is 1% out there who would be receptive, as one example our own recent Zugs. He is as thirsty for knowledge as an industrial vacuum cleaner, even to his own detriment, but that's overboard in the other direction, we'll leave it out for now. If we are smart and diligent, who knows, maybe in 5 years it will be 98% and 2%, and in 10 years 95% and 5%.
Sociology research shows that the critical mass is around 5%-10%. They are like the yeast. The dough mix is huge but you need only a pinch of yeast to get what you want, yet there must be enough yeast too. Same analogy with salt. So we must not be discouraged or scared by the seemingly monolithic and unbreakable Mordor tower of the 99% of ignorance, arrogance, laziness, and entitlement.
I see no problem with the cliche "let's help one person at a time". Long time = many persons. Really long time = a movement. Plus, this process is exponential, not linear, because the new converts will join in the effort, so this is like a compounded interest, it takes off eventually.
[3] I believe we must retain what we do well - discuss the hobby freely and have a bit of fun on a side doing it, all in good measure, ToS and mod-enabled. As RD says - boredom is our enemy. He also said before that overbearing ruling and authority are a turn off, especially as Galantz said to the strawberry generation, the first time I see this apt term, haha... All this talk about deleting threads and posts sounds a bit scary and a way to lose people, not gain them and their love and trust.
[4] RD, what I said about the 99% of unfinished threads, I didn't mean of all MFK threads, I meant the ones where a 1st hand fish experience is reported: "Look ya'll I got myself a new pet!" - threads like this are finished next to never, or even regualrly updated, next to never! IMRE anyway. (In my reading experience). Unneeded threads I mentioned are the 10-20+ updates on the same exact fish specimen instead of keeping it all in one thread. This practice and its alikes lead to 10x-100x more hits and clicks and wasted reading and time when one utilizes the "Search" button.
I position myself as a fighter against these practices, perhaps to the dislike of some members. My only real weapon though is practicing what I preach. I could be shown wrong too. I am not too close minded, I hope.
[5] Speedo? Really? What am I a Michael Phelps? Or some kind of bimbo? lol
I have a few thoughts.
[1] First, the best way (and my proposal is just an example) to me seems to require only the software changes at the beginning to offer a new format to the MFK community to populate with their input as time goes by at their own pace (call it anything from e-manual to blogs and data/care sheets to YouTube channel). I don't think a dedicated effort by however many MFKers over weeks, months or a year is realistic. This is a hobby and life dictates its priorities. I believe we need to set up a new process, an additional one, to live by and let everyone contribute at their pace but with understanding that if they say yes, I support it, an earnest effort would be expected from them to be invested over a year and beyond. Again, I believe all must row the boat, each exactly proportional to their best and convenient ability. Don't ask anyone to bend over, backwards or not.
[2] Second, let lazy be lazy. I get Stanzz and RD but in a way they are also saying - we can't change it overnight or over week, or over a year, so we won't even try, forget it. Be that as it may, but this doesn't suit me. Perhaps the lazy and careless are 99% but there is 1% out there who would be receptive, as one example our own recent Zugs. He is as thirsty for knowledge as an industrial vacuum cleaner, even to his own detriment, but that's overboard in the other direction, we'll leave it out for now. If we are smart and diligent, who knows, maybe in 5 years it will be 98% and 2%, and in 10 years 95% and 5%.
Sociology research shows that the critical mass is around 5%-10%. They are like the yeast. The dough mix is huge but you need only a pinch of yeast to get what you want, yet there must be enough yeast too. Same analogy with salt. So we must not be discouraged or scared by the seemingly monolithic and unbreakable Mordor tower of the 99% of ignorance, arrogance, laziness, and entitlement.
I see no problem with the cliche "let's help one person at a time". Long time = many persons. Really long time = a movement. Plus, this process is exponential, not linear, because the new converts will join in the effort, so this is like a compounded interest, it takes off eventually.
[3] I believe we must retain what we do well - discuss the hobby freely and have a bit of fun on a side doing it, all in good measure, ToS and mod-enabled. As RD says - boredom is our enemy. He also said before that overbearing ruling and authority are a turn off, especially as Galantz said to the strawberry generation, the first time I see this apt term, haha... All this talk about deleting threads and posts sounds a bit scary and a way to lose people, not gain them and their love and trust.
[4] RD, what I said about the 99% of unfinished threads, I didn't mean of all MFK threads, I meant the ones where a 1st hand fish experience is reported: "Look ya'll I got myself a new pet!" - threads like this are finished next to never, or even regualrly updated, next to never! IMRE anyway. (In my reading experience). Unneeded threads I mentioned are the 10-20+ updates on the same exact fish specimen instead of keeping it all in one thread. This practice and its alikes lead to 10x-100x more hits and clicks and wasted reading and time when one utilizes the "Search" button.
I position myself as a fighter against these practices, perhaps to the dislike of some members. My only real weapon though is practicing what I preach. I could be shown wrong too. I am not too close minded, I hope.
[5] Speedo? Really? What am I a Michael Phelps? Or some kind of bimbo? lol
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......about the proposed book that this thread was about,I might have overlooked it but did the op ever contact the owner of the site about his idea?
Oh.That probably should have been his starting point.
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