more fun PETA madness!

[dacox]

2 points:

1) I don't think that PETA stoops to "terrorizing" people to achieve their agenda. They certainly have members that perform criminal acts of varying degrees to achieve their goals, but instituting terror among the masses is not one of them. Let us call them criminals but save the name-slinging for the brainwashed.

2) Any proof of this brainwashing? And I'm glad you "seriously" think this, rather than just half-assed thinking. Trust me, it shows.

J

PETA has offered financial support to ELF, which is arguably the most notorious terrorist organization in the US. ELF commits arson, vandalism, sets bombs, trains "eco-terroristd," and has caused over $200 million worth of damage here in the US. As far as I'm concerned, the simple fact that PETA supports a group like that makes them part of the "Front" and a terrorrist organization themselves. That, and the fact that they support felons like Rodney Coronado, support the destruction of research facilities, (hypocritically) put thousands of animals to death, and will assault innocent bystanders who wear fur, etc. makes them a terrorist organization (and possibly the most dangerous one in our homeland).

They are extremests and, IMO, deserve absolutely ZERO support. I also think that the support they do recieve is a result of their propoganda and "brainwashing," so I think that was a valid comment by fishcatch.

Edit: I'm not saying that they don't do any good, but they need to reform their mission before they deserve public support.

 

[andregurov]

PETA has offered financial support to ELF, which is arguably the most notorious terrorist organization in the US. ELF commits arson, vandalism, sets bombs, trains "eco-terroristd," and has caused over $200 million worth of damage here in the US. As far as I'm concerned, the simple fact that PETA supports a group like that makes them part of the "Front" and a terrorrist organization themselves. That, and the fact that they support felons like Rodney Coronado, support the destruction of research facilities, (hypocritically) put thousands of animals to death, and will assault innocent bystanders who wear fur, etc. makes them a terrorist organization (and possibly the most dangerous one in our homeland).

They are extremests and, IMO, deserve absolutely ZERO support. I also think that the support they do recieve is a result of their propoganda and "brainwashing," so I think that was a valid comment by fishcatch.

Edit: I'm not saying that they don't do any good, but they need to reform their mission before they deserve public support.

Valid points all. I guess we could simply say that all people who inflict violence and harm in the name of political change are terrorists. I revise my view. But linking those that provide support to terrorist elements with terrorism is a slippery slope. After all, we don't know where ALL of our tax money goes, do we?

In response to fishcatch's post re: brainwashing - there is a tremendous difference between propaganda (something everyone from the Republican Party to the US Armed Forces to Kellogs to the US Postal Service use) and brainwashing. To equate the two elevates (drags down?) each of our posts to the same level.

J

 

[RyanS]

2 points:

1) I don't think that PETA stoops to "terrorizing" people to achieve their agenda. They certainly have members that perform criminal acts of varying degrees to achieve their goals, but instituting terror among the masses is not one of them. Let us call them criminals but save the name-slinging for the brainwashed.

2) Any proof of this brainwashing? And I'm glad you "seriously" think this, rather than just half-assed thinking. Trust me, it shows.

J

Start reading:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2339
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/domestic.terrorism/
http://www.peta.org/feat/turk-terr/1.html
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901777.html
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/jweinstein/060303
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000239.html

Found out what it is that peta wants, only then will you realize just how insan they are. Say goodbye to your fish as Peta thinks it's wrong to keep animals as pets.

Peta ought to be shut down, or at the very least lose their tax exempt status.

 

[fishcatch22]

to add to his list of stuff,
this is what kids my age should REALLY be doing....
http://www.peta2.com/TAKECHARGE/t-peta2guides.asp

I don't think irritating folks like that is going to make them vegitarians.

 

[Polypterus]

For all those Peta pampering here:

I really do not think you understand clearly what this protein deficient group of nutballs are....

As very rightly stated above they are a terrorist front group and also very much a dangerous extreamist orginization. It is PETA's goal to eliminate all animal exploitation in whatever that may be. This includes this hobby and they are not shy about saying how much they dispise pet ownership of any sort.

I.E. this twisted pseudoscience emotional piece of garbage:
http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=30

Or this incredably idiotic concept of making your animals Vegan to conform with their wacked ideology:
http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=34

To any pet owner or to anyone concerned with conservation of animals in captivity or in the wild..... PETA is NOT your friend and you would be wise to step away from their misleading garbage.

This is a site I would like those that want to pamper PETA to give a good look at so you get a better idea of what they do not want you to hear in their propaganda:
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
(Granted it's a nutty site it's self but at least has documented the dirt on PETA quite well)

And if you want to see what these terrorists do all you need to do is look right at their criminal wing and close friends (Newkirk Has been implicated in funding the ALF)
Read through their thoughts and ideas and tell me if these are rational people that have any liking to any of us that keep fish in captivity.
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Philosophy-index.htm

 

[Eupterus]

To be fair, realize that the group consumer freedom is a group funded by large corporations. It is a biased source. They are against many enviromental groups as well as PETA. They are against PETA because their income comes from the very products that PETA boycotts. This is a finanical issue.
Please if you use consumer freedom as the reason why you dislike PETA, do read some more unbiased sources.

To clear up some issues concerning PETA and animals in captivity. PETA does not recomend tossing captive and domesticated animals into the wild as I sometimes see some people say.
Many people working at PETA have companion animals. The goal is that people cease to breed more animals so that eventually these animals become extinct. The animals that are already here deserve to be cared for and rescued. The ones which cannot be found homes for are euthanized.
PETA is not the only group that seems to believe this way as I've met others and have seen flame threads on MBs by anti breeders who were not even connected with PETA.

PETA is not the only pro euthanziation group either. And instead of getting upset at a group who euthanizes unwanted/surplus animals, one do well to get upset at the people who breed too many or don't spay and neuter. These people have created the problem, PETA and other groups just step in and clean up the mess.

PETA and terrorism. I would not say PETA is a terrorist organization themselves.
I have heard accounts that an individual in PETA has donated to a cause considered to be involved in illegal activities. I will have to read more into this myself.

 

[dacox]

PETA and terrorism. I would not say PETA is a terrorist organization themselves. I have heard accounts that an individual in PETA has donated to a cause considered to be involved in illegal activities. I will have to read more into this myself.

Valid points, and I also agree that PETA does do some good, mainly in the area of cruelty awareness, but with the way they operate now, they are IMO a terrorist organization. However, the extreme measures that they take to endorse their anti-cruelty campaigns completely negate the positive messages they send (again IMO).

As far as the funding of terrorist groups goes, it is the PETA organization that has contributed funds to them, not just individuals in the organization, and because transactions like that must be documented in their tax returns, they are out there to read for yourself. I'm sure they are available through one of the links posted above. Also, the fact that the highest ranking officials, including the president, founders, and directors, have publicly endorced the acts of terrorism by organizations like ELF and ALF makes them terrorists in my book.

 

[Polypterus]

To be fair, realize that the group consumer freedom is a group funded by large corporations. It is a biased source. They are against many enviromental groups as well as PETA. They are against PETA because their income comes from the very products that PETA boycotts. This is a finanical issue.
Please if you use consumer freedom as the reason why you dislike PETA, do read some more unbiased sources.

Please note in my statement that I know they are biased...What they are good for is documenting Dirt on PETA that they can never seem to shake in one rather central location. Also note that Just by the links posted I'm also very familiar with Peta and many other AR websites. I believe strongly in looking at many sources of information.

To clear up some issues concerning PETA and animals in captivity. PETA does not recomend tossing captive and domesticated animals into the wild as I sometimes see some people say.
Many people working at PETA have companion animals. The goal is that people cease to breed more animals so that eventually these animals become extinct. The animals that are already here deserve to be cared for and rescued. The ones which cannot be found homes for are euthanized.
PETA is not the only group that seems to believe this way as I've met others and have seen flame threads on MBs by anti breeders who were not even connected with PETA.

Did you just say that PETA's goal is to stop the reproducing of animals in captivity so they go extinct.......Ok thank you for clairifying my point perfectly.

OK.. so now just what is PETA's position on Wild animals in captivity?......I do not mean Dogs and cats and cows and stuff......I mean that Motoro stingray or that Skiffia francesae in the corner tank??????

If you enjoy watching fish, consider downloading one of the many colorful and realistic fish computer screensavers available on the Web.

Oh yes there it is.........BS sifted on their own site.... this is their goal and always has been. NO ANIMAL SHOULD BE "EXPLOITED" and this definition of theirs applies to all fish and calls for the elimination of this hobby...

PETA is not the only pro euthanziation group either. And instead of getting upset at a group who euthanizes unwanted/surplus animals, one do well to get upset at the people who breed too many or don't spay and neuter. These people have created the problem, PETA and other groups just step in and clean up the mess.

I never said anything about this...but since you mention it. PETA clearly has a serious hypocritical policy issue on this and there is little question about it given their recent track record. I'm not really sure how making animals extinct helps much either that kind of sounds like Biocide.

9. Any act involving the wanton killing of the animals is biocide, that is, a crime against life. This BTW is in the Animals bill of rights....I see though that this only applies to certian cases and circumstances that are not fully explained nor justified in the context of the "struggle"....If Hitler says it was good it's all following orders right?????

I myself am all for the proper and humane euthanesia of surplus animals. This is not however PETAs goal there goal is the elimination of pets of any sort for Human "explotation" or use. Essentially they want to totally seperate man from the biotic community. This I personally find rather ignorant. What we need to be doing is integrating with it.

PETA and terrorism. I would not say PETA is a terrorist organization themselves.
I have heard accounts that an individual in PETA has donated to a cause considered to be involved in illegal activities. I will have to read more into this myself.

The individuals name that FUNDED ALF terror actions and criminal activity is Ingred Newkirk Director of PETA.....I would call that directly supporting terrorist actions by the organization as a whole when the director is using donated funds to support a criminal paramilitary terrorist organization. The ALF is essentially nothing but the "armed" forces of PETA.

 

[fishcatch22]

i've been researching PETA, and already being a vegitarian, it seems every time I gain an ounce of respect for them I lose it almost immeidiately.

most of their goals and ideology I find noble, such as taking leagal action aganist KFC, iams, informing people of the cruelties of factory farms, ect.

then again, they have twisted views like anti-fishkeeping and using highly disturbing ad campaigns to try and prove their generally good points, such as distributing graphic and offensive material to young children.

they remind me of a mass murderer who murders mass murderers. his intent is good, but his methods are whacked.

 

[CHOMPERS]

...but with the way they operate now, they are IMO a terrorist organization. However, the extreme measures that they take to endorse their anti-cruelty campaigns completely negate the positive messages they send (again IMO)...

I second the motion...

And when you have to resort to brainwashing children for a source of members, there is something big time wrong!!! Yes, they are brainwashing them. Children are targeted specifically because they can not think for themselves. Children accept what adults tell them, whether right or wrong (or totally F-ed up).