I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. When i see and LFS, selling, something like an Red Tail Catfish, Tiger Shovelnose you know the type of fish, and then states the tank size to be .... something like 150g, or even smaller, i dont only think about the fishs wellbeing, even it terrible, that these guys die slow deaths, with there organs getting to big for there bodyes, skeletal derformeties, or anything like that. I also think about the poor guy, who buys this guy getting told it will be good for hes 150g cummunity tank, and then he ends up with predator, that devours hes other fish, and a fish thats slowly dying. As i said before, LFS should have a permit to sell anything over 2ft.
More Stupidity at my one LFS (Please Rescue these catfish)
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I agree that is a horrible way to treat fish. I just think the attitude this guy portrayed in his post sucks. You don't treat people like that.
These guys, in the lfs are the reason, some poor guy ends up with this fish, believing the lies he got fed. I sometimes ask, things i already know to lfs staff, and when i get a crazy answer, i inform the reality. I dont have much expirience with these bad lfs, since my local one is great, today when i asked them if they had live brine shrimp, and if explained my situation (I have a front, that is carrying eggs, that arent fertilized, and id like to get her to start eating, since shes thind) He went a found the last, live clear something, they where a little to old, but still alive. After he informed me when theyd get brine shrimp, he gave me the clear larva something, for free. My LFS is very nice, how ever they just got pangasius, wich is not a good sign, but i think theyr special ordered, since they werent for sale, or maybe just quarintine.
I dont believe he was being lied to. In his own statement the girl sounded unsure. and again I am not arguing fish should be kept properly. What I am saying is.
He admitted he likes to "test" the knowledge of the staff and then laughed at the girl. I think that is rude and despicable in my opinion. Reading through the other posts I now see he is only 15. If he was my kid I would have smacked him in the back of the head and told him to go apologize right quick. He is not my kid so I simply stated he needs to learn a few rules and I will state them again.
1. People are always more important than fish. (people in this hobby sometimes forget this)
2. There will always be someone that knows more than you. (he just sounded arrogant and needed to know this)
3. Treat others how you want to be treated. (this is just a good rule for everyone to live by)
This country would be in much better shape if more people simply lived by #3.
Looks like a very small TSN. Species can't be determined visually until it's much larger.
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I have a good LFS. But not every worker in there knows everything about every type of fish. For example: I bought a Nicaraguense last weekend. The guy I had nab & bag it for me is more of a salt water guy. In discussing sex and coloriing, I found that he thought the males were more colorful, which is true of most cichlids, but not Nic's. So I just humbly told him what I knew. If it were salt water fish, he could school me. But he does have a pretty broad base of cichlid knowledge, and they do have cichlid folks there too. Maybe the store in this case has a more general knowledge issue to be that off on their advice.
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Rivers2K, sorry if I came off sounding like an ignorant person. The only point i was trying to prove was that if an LFS staff doesn't have good knowledge on a fish, they should try to make up info. Also the girl was the acclaimed catfish expert of the store and about your 3rd point. If I claimed to be a catfish expert (and wasn't) and someone very smart about them came in and told me I was wrong about something, I'd deserve to be laughed at for claiming I know something about the fish that isn't true. That's it I'm done fighting about that, sorry again if I sound like an inconsiderate kid.
lets just get back on topic about the id of this fish. Seems like people are supporting either Lima or TSN, I don't see anyone saying firewood so that's good In case I get it and it was a TSN, wouldn't need AS big of a stock tub
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lets just get back on topic about the id of this fish. Seems like people are supporting either Lima or TSN, I don't see anyone saying firewood so that's good In case I get it and it was a TSN, wouldn't need AS big of a stock tub
.Planiceps are no longer being imported as far as I know.
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He stated the girl said, when he told her that it grows to 30" and it wouldnt be able to turn, she answered. "It dosnt have to turn". Sorry if i didnt catch this? But smacking children? Is this some sort of a joke? The girl was and a-hole, and told someone of the age 15, something she didnt know, and could put him in a terrible situation. Think if this wasnt someone who knew better. She should have said she didnt know, instead of potentially putting a 15year old, thats new at the hobby. She would have made the fish suffer, with the organs growing to big for the body, skeletal deformities, and such things, because she dosnt know that bad water quality, causes stunting, or anything about keeping aquaria fish. She could have put some in a terrible situation. I'm fine with her being laughed in the face. As said, she could have made that fish suffer, and destroy such a nice hobby, for someone new.
It's a young TSN. There is no argument about that. When it hits 2', it'll be easier to tell the species.
Karl, please, I implore you to stop confusing people. You cannot tell LSN from TSN and you state how you tell Sorubim lima from Sorubim elongatus. Really?
Also, I am 100% with Rivers2K on the "humane" treatment issues. It's a Golden Rule: Treat others like you want to be treated.
All these people who vehemently defend fish and show so much compassion to fish appear to be filled with hatred to humans and show no love, no compassion, no consideration to humans and treat them wickedly, as IMHO, is described in the OP. They strain a gnat and swallow a camel, that's for sure. They are wrong on the most fundamental level and also by definition: "humane" comes from human, so if one cannot treat humans humanely, they cannot treat anything humanely by definition. ... Let them think they can...
Also, Karl's argument for "the poor guy who will buy the fish" is easily overthrown by the opinion of the majority of the serious fish keepers, experts, fish heads (has been discussed to death on numerous threads on all forums): the responsibility of KNOWING what you are doing and what you are buying lies with the consumer.
...Or do you want it regulated by the government for you? You want a nanny state? There... it is already happening: http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40144 - soon enough Europe will be able to buy only guppies and goldfish! The US won't be far behind.
It is highly and hotly debatable, but the majority appears to think the way to go is through wide-spread education of the consumers, of us who buy fish - this is the only way to deal with the free market, unless we as hobbyists, as a society, as people want our government to safeguard us from our own ignorance. Whether we want it or not, we are ONE in our hobby, united, because the laws will apply to all - however ignorant or knowledgeable.
Education should be a positive thing, not through derision and set-up. Education is a sensitive topic and one must be considerate and tread lightly, be patient, be understanding, let the stubborn ones learn from their falls and mistakes if they choose so because we are a free society, you cannot teach someone something they don't wanna learn.
Few things leave worse taste in one's mouth than when some "teacher" forces their "knowledge" down your throat with unsolicited, forced "advices" (yes, you can have me eat my words too) and moreover, does it in an unfriendly, aggressive manner. Such "teachers" destroy our hobby and our society and our humanity and work against MFK, because MFK is about proper education and practice and helping each other, not putting each other down.
