Mottled Sculpin and Darters

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I hate to say it, but I would stop looking through Wikipedia or whatever fish book your using, and start looking at websites or what’s available. A lot of these fish you’ll never be able to get because they are protected, nobody cares enough in the area they live to catch them and sell them, or they live in a small drainage like a lot of the darters and shiners do. Or maybe you want to settle for a more commonly available version of some of the fish like a rockbass instead of a shadow bass
Its not as bad as you think. I saw a kid who wanted catfish that got to 10-12 feet long that are literally almost impossible to get. Then joked about it when people questioned him saying some ridiculous things. Personally I haven't heard of any of these fish but they wont be as bad as what ive seen. And if he does find them it will be an awesome tank. GL


Edit: what was the worst thing was the kid wanted thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter to take the catfish after they outgrew his stuff:ROFL:he said "i'd be honored if Thebiggerthebetter took them to his aquarium" and he said he'd have to be crazy to take them from him :ROFL:
 
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Pros:

- Colorful
- Stay Small
- Aggressive, but not too aggressive
- and they will eat feeders and/or nightcrawlers

Cons:

- Rare
- Hide a lot
- Nothing really known about them

But if I can get them, I can document, and maybe even breed them. Shouldn't be too bad. And also, I don't look at wikipedia. I looked at online Aquaria stores like Jonahs Aquatics, aqua-imports, and more. Nobody has them. If anyone is interested, here is their range:

shadow-bass-range-map.png


Here is one of the websites im using that seem to be credible:


edit: and yes, I looked for Ozark Bass as well, but they are VERY hard to get.

edit to the edit: Also, the darter I would get is Black Banded Darter from aquaculturestore.com
 
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Pros:

- Colorful
- Stay Small
- Aggressive, but not too aggressive
- and they will eat feeders and/or nightcrawlers

Cons:

- Rare
- Hide a lot
- Nothing really known about them

But if I can get them, I can document, and maybe even breed them. Shouldn't be too bad. And also, I don't look at wikipedia. I looked at online Aquaria stores like Jonahs Aquatics, aqua-imports, and more. Nobody has them. If anyone is interested, here is their range:

shadow-bass-range-map.png


Here is one of the websites im using that seem to be credible:


edit: and yes, I looked for Ozark Bass as well, but they are VERY hard to get.

edit to the edit: Also, the darter I would get is Black Banded Darter from aquaculturestore.com
Geez, native fish on jonahs aquatics is cheap! How didn’t I think of this.
One day I have to set up a tank for bluegills and livebearers, as seen in the waters of Disney world...
 
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Sorry I didn’t mean to sound so harsh! I don’t know if the flatfish will be able to coexist with the sculpins as they come from very different water temps
 
Hello everyone;

I think I am going to drop the stickelbacks/shiners/killifish until I know I need them for feeding, or as dithers. I enjoy the darters. I know quite a few people on mfk have had them (around 10-20 as of now), but they dropped out a few years back. If I could get a bit more info on care, they could be perfect. I am looking through public books about native darters and sculpins as well as other websites.
 
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Ya know...it's one thing to read about experienced, hard-core fishkeepers like duanes duanes or many others on here, who have kept a wide variety of species...usually within their "specialty" area, like cichlids, rare livebearers, rays, etc...and who are now scouring the continent or the globe for that one special type of fish that has become their current quest. They've done it all, or at least a good chunk of it, and they are seeking that next new challenge. The fish in question might not even be particularly appealing to newer aquarists, might have nothing in the way of spectacular colouration or behaviour, but it is their Holy Grail...until they find it, keep it, breed it, and then move on to the next quest. They are breathing that rarified air at the peak of the hobby mountain, and chasing one exotic/rare/difficult fish after another is a common phase at that point.

And then, The Masked Shadow The Masked Shadow ...there's guys like you. You have kept tons of fish...on lists and in plans...but actual experience is virtually non-existent. You really don't need to research obscure and little-known fish like Shadow Bass, because there are almost always common, dirt-cheap and readily available counterparts like Rock Bass that you would be much better off keeping and gaining some experience with before you special-order the oddballs. Don't worry about the supposed 17-inch Rock Bass you have read about...I have fished for and caught Rock Bass for well over 50 years and have never, ever seen one more than a foot long. Trust me, you won't raise the new world record Rock Bass in your aquarium. You will, however, find that Rock Bass are every bit as interesting and fun to keep as Shadow Bass and if/when you make the type of inevitable blunder that we all occasionally make, you won't end up killing a rare fish.

And maybe try to settle for fewer fish species? A 50-ish-gallon tank is nowhere to be combining predators like Shadow/Rock or other bass with darters and sculpins, which are essentially bait. Decide what you want to keep; if you want small darters, keep them, give them proper conditions, enjoy them, and then sometime in the future when they no longer turn your crank, move on to something else, whether it be bass, sculpins, whatever. You do not need to keep every species of fish that you find on the internet...and you absolutely do need to accept that they can't all be kept together. I know they are all tempting, but you just can't do any of them justice if you over-extend yourself and over-do it. Healthy fish displaying natural colouration and behaviour are interesting; sickly, stressed fish that are constantly fighting, eating each other, dying...or all of these at the same time!...will quickly kill your interest in the hobby.

So, maybe try stepping back for a moment, take a deep breath, decide what you are most interested in, and concentrate on that for awhile.

And, while you're at it...consider taking a break from telling other people how to keep fish about which you really don't know much other than what you read on the internet. Remember: some of what you "know" from the internet has come from other people who, like yourself, have no clue but feel that everyone is entitled to hear what they have to say. Your sage advice regarding discus in the other thread is the sort of thing to which I am referring. Discus? Really? ?
 
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Ya know...it's one thing to read about experienced, hard-core fishkeepers like duanes duanes or many others on here, who have kept a wide variety of species...usually within their "specialty" area, like cichlids, rare livebearers, rays, etc...and who are now scouring the continent or the globe for that one special type of fish that has become their current quest. They've done it all, or at least a good chunk of it, and they are seeking that next new challenge. The fish in question might not even be particularly appealing to newer aquarists, might have nothing in the way of spectacular colouration or behaviour, but it is their Holy Grail...until they find it, keep it, breed it, and then move on to the next quest. They are breathing that rarified air at the peak of the hobby mountain, and chasing one exotic/rare/difficult fish after another is a common phase at that point.

And then, The Masked Shadow The Masked Shadow ...there's guys like you. You have kept tons of fish...on lists and in plans...but actual experience is virtually non-existent. You really don't need to research obscure and little-known fish like Shadow Bass, because there are almost always common, dirt-cheap and readily available counterparts like Rock Bass that you would be much better off keeping and gaining some experience with before you special-order the oddballs. Don't worry about the supposed 17-inch Rock Bass you have read about...I have fished for and caught Rock Bass for well over 50 years and have never, ever seen one more than a foot long. Trust me, you won't raise the new world record Rock Bass in your aquarium. You will, however, find that Rock Bass are every bit as interesting and fun to keep as Shadow Bass and if/when you make the type of inevitable blunder that we all occasionally make, you won't end up killing a rare fish.

And maybe try to settle for fewer fish species? A 50-ish-gallon tank is nowhere to be combining predators like Shadow/Rock or other bass with darters and sculpins, which are essentially bait. Decide what you want to keep; if you want small darters, keep them, give them proper conditions, enjoy them, and then sometime in the future when they no longer turn your crank, move on to something else, whether it be bass, sculpins, whatever. You do not need to keep every species of fish that you find on the internet...and you absolutely do need to accept that they can't all be kept together. I know they are all tempting, but you just can't do any of them justice if you over-extend yourself and over-do it. Healthy fish displaying natural colouration and behaviour are interesting; sickly, stressed fish that are constantly fighting, eating each other, dying...or all of these at the same time!...will quickly kill your interest in the hobby.

So, maybe try stepping back for a moment, take a deep breath, decide what you are most interested in, and concentrate on that for awhile.

And, while you're at it...consider taking a break from telling other people how to keep fish about which you really don't know much other than what you read on the internet. Remember: some of what you "know" from the internet has come from other people who, like yourself, have no clue but feel that everyone is entitled to hear what they have to say. Your sage advice regarding discus in the other thread is the sort of thing to which I am referring. Discus? Really? ?

2nd paragraph kindof summed up what I was trying to say but less harsh
 
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