My captive bred Altum's
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do you know if they were bred with both true altum parents? the reasson I ask is thier bars don't look like altum bars. maybe because they are still so young. fins look great. please keep us informed, as this is the first time I have seen tank bred altums being sold.
3dees;4796389; said:
Tank bred altums are a new thing. Apparently, this is the way tank bred altums look. I have been studying this subject lately, since Jeff Rapps imported those F2s recently. All the pictures I've seen, even the ones from Germany, the tank breds seem to have irregular bars. It is important to note all the fish I have seen pictures of have been juvies. It's not clear to me if they "grow out of it" or not. The good news is they seem to have none of the problems of the wild fish, so far at least.
yep these looks like the ones from taiwan. where the bars are irregular or broken. i believe they will look like this when they grow up:
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domestic colors but altum shape.anybody know why they look like that? im confused why 2 wild caught altums captive bred would look like this. maybe some science is involve with injecting hormones or certain genes into the eggs? like perhaps using some of the domestic genes into the altums? so the bars are off? but in my opinion the wild ones are way nicer.
and jeff rapp is selling these captive bred altums for $45 each last time i heard.
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domestic colors but altum shape.anybody know why they look like that? im confused why 2 wild caught altums captive bred would look like this. maybe some science is involve with injecting hormones or certain genes into the eggs? like perhaps using some of the domestic genes into the altums? so the bars are off? but in my opinion the wild ones are way nicer.
and jeff rapp is selling these captive bred altums for $45 each last time i heard.
I haven't checked, but someone said he sold out already. Wow! At $45 each, they didn't last long. I'm sure a large part of the reason we see differences in the bars, is what you're seeing are not offspring from 2 wild fish, but from captive fish. By the time we're seeing them for sale, they are already at least F2, F3, and more. This fact makes a big difference. You have to selectively breed F stock to establish traits over many generations. I think it's much too early in the game for this to have been done. I'm sure that any and all fish at this point that spawn, the offspring are sold. No culling has been done. So we end up getting less than desirable offspring from less than desirable fish. I think this will improve over time, as it has with domesticated discus.
It's a bit weird that all of the adult pairs in that video show irregular bars, no?
To me, the wide, dark brown bars are one of the distinguishing features of wild altum angelfish. If they lose that, the only thing still making them "special" compared to tank-bred scalare would be the shape.
I still find it strange that people are so secretive about stuff like this. I don't think they're being spawned naturally. When you spawn wild scalare angels, the F1 and F2 fish do not all end up with irregular bars. I'm not sure why that would happen with altums.
To me, the wide, dark brown bars are one of the distinguishing features of wild altum angelfish. If they lose that, the only thing still making them "special" compared to tank-bred scalare would be the shape.
I still find it strange that people are so secretive about stuff like this. I don't think they're being spawned naturally. When you spawn wild scalare angels, the F1 and F2 fish do not all end up with irregular bars. I'm not sure why that would happen with altums.