My Discus fish went beserk!

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Lupin;2373639; said:
Okay, from all the information gathered, I think you jumped too quickly on discus. Discus while they are hardy, are not your average community fish. They require extra attention to their requirements. I think you should read about nitrogen cycle.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84598

Your post denying the nitrites and nitrates is not correct. Poo and food products as mentioned earlier are sources of ammonia. Now, the ammonia has to be converted by the bacteria to nitrites. Both are extremely dangerous to the fish in present levels and therefore should remain at zero however nitrites is more toxic than ammonia as ammonia is only as dangerous as it should be in hard alkaline waters which in your case is otherwise. Now, the nitrites must be convert next to nitrates, the final product of nitrogen cycle. This is the least dangerous among the three however it should not exceed 40 ppm as per the test kit results. Get API liquid test kit for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH, GH and KH. All are required for you to determine what went wrong.

Start over your tank by doing fishless cycle. What filter are you using? What filter media do you have? You will want sponges and filter flosses for the filter to remove the particles and serves as a colony for the beneficial bacteria. Do you have dechlorinator? Make sure the brand you are using can lock down chlorine and chloramine, both being toxic to the fish.

I suggest you read this thread as well.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42633

My advice is research further on ways to cycle the tank. Until you can guarantee your ammonia and nitrites are zero with nitrates no more than 40 ppm, do not buy any fish. You could borrow a friend's established filter media making sure they are free from contamination of diseases and other pathogens and place them in your filter but all the same, test your tank water regularly until all levels permit the fish to thrive.

Do not buy discus for now. Focus on cycling your tank properly and stick with the fish that are hardy and less demanding such as some strains of angelfish including the gold, marble and zebra.


i cannot determine what went wrong cause i dont have the water in the tank anymore, and i do have angel fishs..............it seems alot of trouble to use a kit everytime i change water cause the discus need a water change everyday.
 
Also i read on the net that they are successful people with discuss with just regular tap water and RO water change and nothing else. i dont really get all these steps cause i have never touched these equipement besides a ph kit.
 
It's just not good practice to put the bag water into your tank. If you did dump the bag water into your tank, that polluted water may have had something to do with contributing to the death of your original discus.

If you knew that you would have to travel for 2 to 3 days to get the discus home, did the seller know this and conditioned the discus for this travel time; specifically starving them so that they would not produce a lot of waste (poop) in the bag? Also, did the seller add pure oxygen in the bag when the discus were bagged?
 
There are many things to keep in mind with discus that are different from other cichlids.

They like warmer water, mid-80s Fahrenheit.

They like lots of clean fresh, water and lots of water changes. I do 50% a day, some do 30% three times a week.

They like to be in groups of about 6 or 8 (a 50 gallon is a good size tank).

They don't do well with other fish in the tank (there are a few exceptions).

It is easier to keep the tank clean if it has no gravel.

Don't use carbon in the filter (this can lead to disease in discus).

Never put new discus in with old discus without keeping them separated (quarantined) for a while to make sure they are not sick and affect the other fish.

One of the most important things is to get from a reliable source. A good breeder will have healthy fish and good customer service (answer all questions, help with problems, even after the purchase).

A variety of food is good. I use flakes, live blackworms (from a good source, i.e. clean worms), some safe frozen foods like Hikari (sterilized) blood worms, some pellets (soak before using to prevent swelling up in the stomach), and frozen beef heart.

Keeping things stable is important. Don't add chemicals except to remove chlorine/chloramine. Messing with pH is usually not necessary.

Age water, that is, put the water that you want to use for the aquarium in a barrel a day before you want to use it for water changes. Use good aeration and set a heater at the tank temperature in the barrel. This is done if the pH of the tap water is not stable (if you check pH out of the tap, then let the water sit overnight and check the pH again and its different).

i did all this except there was carbon rocks in my filter, and we thought nothing was wrong cause we raised a baby discus to full grown in 3 months time....
 
mauihana2001;2373772; said:
It's just not good practice to put the bag water into your tank. If you did dump the bag water into your tank, that polluted water may have had something to do with contributing to the death of your original discus.

If you knew that you would have to travel for 2 to 3 days to get the discus home, did the seller know this and conditioned the discus for this travel time; specifically starving them so that they would not produce a lot of waste (poop) in the bag? Also, did the seller add pure oxygen in the bag when the discus were bagged?

not sure about the oxygen but the bag was clear of any poop.
 
i also change 20% of the water with RO water..... and how do you change the nitrates and nitrites in the water? or keep it stable?
 
fishbabe;2373752; said:
Also i read on the net that they are successful people with discuss with just regular tap water and RO water change and nothing else. i dont really get all these steps cause i have never touched these equipement besides a ph kit.

I keep discus and I use tap water for my daily water changes. I have Lake Michigan water, which has a pH of about 7.4 once it reaches at my location. Once you have your discus acclimated to your tap water parameters, they can be successfully raised to adulthood with it. I only use RO water if I try to breed them in their own breeding tank. It's also a good idea to declorinate your tap water during water changes. Using tap water for raising discus is a whole lot easier and cheaper in the long run!
 
For such a fast fish kill, it is NOT anything parasitic or bacterial. It is a water quality issue. From what ive read, it sounds like the water in the shipping bags was dumped into the tank along with the fish. The amount of ammonia in the bags might have been enough to kill them. Next time, cut bag open, acclimate and transfer only the fish, discard bag water.

-Ryan
 
Dkarc;2374356; said:
For such a fast fish kill, it is NOT anything parasitic or bacterial. It is a water quality issue. From what ive read, it sounds like the water in the shipping bags was dumped into the tank along with the fish. The amount of ammonia in the bags might have been enough to kill them. Next time, cut bag open, acclimate and transfer only the fish, discard bag water.

-Ryan

but if we had regular water changes wouldnt the ammonia be gone?
 
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