my condolences Rumble, bt i will caution you about the cuban....the normally dont fight back....bt if overly stressed, they will go crazy...mine went head to head with my atheopicus and took a chunk out of the lung's side....watch it...
My Marulius died :(
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WhiteLineRacer;538500; said:Sorry for your loss, but imho you could see this coming yet did very little to prevent it
You're wrong about that. At first I blamed myself too, but honestly if you were me you would have done the same, you would not have thought it was that serious.
It was basically just nipped fins and bullying. The channa NEVER looked in serious trouble.
And not for 1 day did he stop eating or swimming around. He was always the first at the top of the tank wagging his tail when I approached with a handful of prawns.
If he just had nipped fins, a few dropped scales, but didn't seem bothered in the SLIGHTEST, and was still happily swimming around and eating, would you have seperated them and risked the silver bashing a very rare Cuban gar?
The channa took a bad beating one night, and as soon as I saw that, I seperated them, quickly took the aro out and stuck it in the growout tank with my Cuban, and the gar and aro bashed each other up for a couple of days before I moved the gar.
If it had looked serious before I would have seperated them, even if it meant risking the gar, trust me. I love snakeheads and I care about my fish, I just didn't realize how serious it was, the aro is aggressive, but I never thought it would kill the channa.
rumblesushi;532917; said:The channa constantly had ripped fins and scales missing. But nothing that looked life-threateningly serious. It was getting worse though, so I was looking for some egg crate to use as a divider online, and today he died
So next time you see a costantly beat up fish you'll know what's coming. We all learn from experience. I had a royal knife get beaten up and die. Was it my fault? Hell yes. I put the fish in the tank with another pred. It only lasted one night and no warning damage. But I still put it in there.
I do hope you find another channa as you obviously love them, and I also hope you give it it's own tank.
I have plenty of exp. I've kept preds since I was about 10, including channas. One of my first fish was a red that got over 2 foot.
My point is simply it wasn't beaten up badly enough to think it needed seperating this instance. Nipped fins and missing scales are pretty normal in a predatory comm. I don't like to keep fish alone. In recent times the only fish I had to keep alone was an albino striata, which is now owned by zix. It was the most vicious fish I've ever seen, attacked things 3 times it's size.
I've seperated many fish, sold fish, and even bought new tanks for fish when things weren't going well.
My point is there were not tell tale signs the channa was in trouble, that's why I said he was too brave for his own good. He'd still get in the aro's face etc, and he still seemed happy swimming around and eating.
For example last year, I had a larger jardini take a disliking to a smaller channa. After some harrassment and biting, the channa obviously looked troubled. Not swimming around the tank much and eating sporadically. I put the jardini in a holding tank and then sold it, as it was obvious the channa was in trouble.
In hindsight should I have seperated this aro sooner? Of course, my point is simply there were not tell tale signs that he was in real trouble. Before then it was just split fins and the oddmissing scale. Most of the damage was done in ONE night, and the very next day I just netted the aro, put it in with the cuban gar, and removed any other fish that might hinder his recovery. If he'd seemed in real trouble before, I would have done exactly the same thing. Unfortunately it was just a day too late.
My point is simply it wasn't beaten up badly enough to think it needed seperating this instance. Nipped fins and missing scales are pretty normal in a predatory comm. I don't like to keep fish alone. In recent times the only fish I had to keep alone was an albino striata, which is now owned by zix. It was the most vicious fish I've ever seen, attacked things 3 times it's size.
I've seperated many fish, sold fish, and even bought new tanks for fish when things weren't going well.
My point is there were not tell tale signs the channa was in trouble, that's why I said he was too brave for his own good. He'd still get in the aro's face etc, and he still seemed happy swimming around and eating.
For example last year, I had a larger jardini take a disliking to a smaller channa. After some harrassment and biting, the channa obviously looked troubled. Not swimming around the tank much and eating sporadically. I put the jardini in a holding tank and then sold it, as it was obvious the channa was in trouble.
In hindsight should I have seperated this aro sooner? Of course, my point is simply there were not tell tale signs that he was in real trouble. Before then it was just split fins and the oddmissing scale. Most of the damage was done in ONE night, and the very next day I just netted the aro, put it in with the cuban gar, and removed any other fish that might hinder his recovery. If he'd seemed in real trouble before, I would have done exactly the same thing. Unfortunately it was just a day too late.
Rumble,
It is always easy to see problems with hindsight. If put into your situation, I bet almost everyone would have acted the same way you did. After all, those were big guys and nothing indicated the severity of the situation.
Sorry about your loss, bro.
HarleyK
It is always easy to see problems with hindsight. If put into your situation, I bet almost everyone would have acted the same way you did. After all, those were big guys and nothing indicated the severity of the situation.
Sorry about your loss, bro.
HarleyK
Exactly Harley, thanks for understanding. I care about my fish, they are not just pretty collectables to me.
Last year I even sold a VERY nice jardini to save a common red snakehead, and it recovered fine.
And to be honest, that 8 inch red looked in worse shape after being bashed by the jardini than this cobra did after being bashed by the silver. The cobra was 10 inches and beginning to fill out, and it looked nowhere NEAR bad enough to think it would be beaten to death.
Last year I even sold a VERY nice jardini to save a common red snakehead, and it recovered fine.
And to be honest, that 8 inch red looked in worse shape after being bashed by the jardini than this cobra did after being bashed by the silver. The cobra was 10 inches and beginning to fill out, and it looked nowhere NEAR bad enough to think it would be beaten to death.
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