National News: Supreme Courts Allow for Lethal Injections in Executions

[rallysman]

slap their knuckles with a ruler. That'll show 'em.

 

[AroW]

Delgado, it is exactly the "justice system" doing it that I vehemently oppose. You cannot have rules on killing, laws and procedures on killing.

killing is an awfull act, that needs to be random, needss to be a crime.

a judicial system that condones, even foresees killing, is criminal, at the end of the day.

once you admit it, then its up for grabs, the scope of the provision can encompass more and increasingly more "crimes" subject to such penalty.

Society simply cannot, objectively, rule death.

and it is, cannot be, an ecomics issue, Fraserthe king.

So where do we distinguish ourselves from the hordes of the barbarians?

On a related note, what do you think of lawyers who know their clients are guilty but must fight to the end with all his energy on their client's behalf with the assumption that he/she is innocent? If the client managed the nerve to confess to the lawyer one day to the crime, and the lawyer sees all the evidence in the case, enough to officially condemn him for the crime, what do you say when the law tells him that he cannot by law say it or else he has broken a sacred code?

 

[DeLgAdO]

Delgado, it is exactly the "justice system" doing it that I vehemently oppose. You cannot have rules on killing, laws and procedures on killing.

killing is an awfull act, that needs to be random, needss to be a crime.

a judicial system that condones, even foresees killing, is criminal, at the end of the day.

once you admit it, then its up for grabs, the scope of the provision can encompass more and increasingly more "crimes" subject to such penalty.

Society simply cannot, objectively, rule death.

and it is, cannot be, an ecomics issue, Fraserthe king.

So where do we distinguish ourselves from the hordes of the barbarians?

we dont because we all are.

you take away the justice system and determining who deserves what comes down to the individuals idea of punishment, and since man runs and decides on his wicked emotions and feelings, well my friend as one man once said: "if chance is the father of all flesh, then disaster is his rainbow in the sky".

 

[AroW]

Difference is that we kill civily, and make it clean. No bloody mess, no guts to clean up. I think the death penalty is a beautiful thing. There are many, many bad people that do not deserve to share this planet with the good people. There is no such thing as rehab for killers. Once a killer, always a killer. The only way to solve the problem is to exterminate them until a clear message is sent.

To call the death penalty a criminal act is horse manure

I believe you might change your mind if a man came into your house one night and murdered your entire family in cold blood, and then you are sitting there alone contemplating revenge on him. Good thing we have the justice system so things indeed are kept civil and "fair" to the best of our knowledge

 

[AroW]

Delgado, it is exactly the "justice system" doing it that I vehemently oppose. You cannot have rules on killing, laws and procedures on killing.

killing is an awfull act, that needs to be random, needss to be a crime.

a judicial system that condones, even foresees killing, is criminal, at the end of the day.

once you admit it, then its up for grabs, the scope of the provision can encompass more and increasingly more "crimes" subject to such penalty.

Society simply cannot, objectively, rule death.

and it is, cannot be, an ecomics issue, Fraserthe king.

So where do we distinguish ourselves from the hordes of the barbarians?

I think what distinguishes our from barbarians is that we have a strict sense of order in our society, and a strict definition of "right and wrong". This is modern society, if you dont like it you can leave. I understand that the justice system is not perfect, but nothing in this world is. We cannot all be angels. Nothing will get done then if we follow your approach, at some point we need to be a little practical. I see it kind of as a twist to the prisoners dilemma. You can either have a perfect society, where in the end everybody (taken as a whole, including criminals and noncriminals) as a whole get punished over more due to certain individuals taking advantage of the rules. OR, we could decide to punish a select few, and in the end everybody as a whole (including the criminal and noncriminal) gets less total punishment in the end.


To me, the death penalty is fair in the sense that it minimizes the amount of total punishment given when theoretically evenly distributed to each person in society.

 

[jcardona1]

I believe you might change your mind if a man came into your house one night and murdered your entire family in cold blood, and then you are sitting there alone contemplating revenge on him. Good thing we have the justice system so things indeed are kept civil and "fair" to the best of our knowledge

Change my mind on what, I dont see what youre saying??? But to your point, if that ever happened, I would do all I could to protect my family. If that means blowing the guys chest out my 870, then so be it. The justice system would come into play after fact, not during the incident....

 

[Miguel]

I believe you might change your mind if a man came into your house one night and murdered your entire family in cold blood, and then you are sitting there alone contemplating revenge on him. Good thing we have the justice system so things indeed are kept civil and "fair" to the best of our knowledge

On the contrary. I would kill the guy who did it.Period. And could not care less about the guts etc.

what I oppose is a society, as a separate entity, having rules for killing, having procedures for the execution, most often more than a decade after the fact.

 

[DeLgAdO]

On the contrary. I would kill the guy who did it.Period. And could not care less about the guts etc.

what I oppose is a society, as a separate entity, having rules for killing, having procedures for the execution, most often more than a decade after the fact.

its not going to work. It just makes you an animal.

without forensic work and procedures many inocent people will end up killed. All because you want revenge.

 

[davo]

It just makes you an animal.

A lot of people would consider themselves that anyway. How is it a bad thing to be?

 

[jcardona1]

its not going to work. It just makes you an animal.

without forensic work and procedures many inocent people will end up killed. All because you want revenge.

What if it was somebody breaking in to your house in the middle of the night? Would you defend yourself and your family or wait for the justice system to kick in? And its obvious you wouldnt be mistaken the intruder for an innocent person...