Need Ray ID'S, possible mantilla

[Miles]

I agree with everything Andersp90 has said..

Mantilla are naturally occuring wild hybrids. Yes, there is a locale in Brazil where these Mantilla rays are more frequent, and yes you can catch them right out of the river as 'mantillas'.. I am sure we are all aware that the word 'Mantilla' is the name of the Exporter, Jose Mantilla, who was responsible for collecting and exporting these unidentified species in the mid-90s with Dr. Ross. Therefor, requesting ANY sort of scientific backing of any sorts regarding this variant, is a moot point.

It would be like saying.. "I Imported a Histrix from Peru, My exporter called it a Histrix, OUT OF THE RIVER, so It MUST -ABSOLUTELY- be a Histrix!"...

But whats amazing, is when you start mixing and hybridizing rays, many different combos produce rays that look like what we call Mantilla... Ever see a Henlei and Motoro produce a Mantilla? I have.. it's identical to the ones from Brazil, too.

Potamotrygon are all one species, they will and can hybridize in the wild. Due to seasonal flooding and water-locked areas some rays might be forced into hybridization.

 

[andersp90]

Hi Anders. I collected several species of rays from the wild x 6
I havent yet seen a wild hybrid
I am not saying that it is impossible but it is not common.
I dont understand this you wrote?

And all the "true" mantillas from the wild have been captive breed by crossing diffrent species of rays. There are no true mantillas. they are just hybrids.

How can a wild fish be captive bred ?

Miles nailed it.

I dont know where you have collected, but hybrids are easy to get from the wild.

I can allmost guess that you have paid alot of money for your "mantilla", so no wonder you dont like us calling your ray a hybrid.
But thats just how things are.
Life sucks. And NEVER trust your LFS!

 

[csx4236]

Hybrids among stingrays in the wild are common.

And all the "true" mantillas from the wild have been captive breed by crossing diffrent species of rays. There are no true mantillas. they are just hybrids.

I have to disagree with this there is a real MANTILLA in my opinion from wild that stays very small compared to all there other so called Mantilla rays.

 

[andersp90]

I have to disagree with this there is a real MANTILLA in my opinion from wild that stays very small compared to all there other so called Mantilla rays.

All the "real" mantillas i have seen pics of have just been hybrids. Also those imported from Brazil.

Show me any mantilla pic and i will find you a hybrid counterpart.

 

[tigger68]

Hi Anders , I have collected in Rhondonia , Acre , Amapa, pernambuco,Tapajos (several locals inc Pimental) Xingu river
Several locals Sao Felix do Xingu , Altamira .
Tocantins at Maraba . In Brazil .
Peru Rio Nanay , Rio mommon.
I am not blowing smoke .
I have done my homework .
At a great cost .
Where did you collect all these hybrid rays??
PS I own the LFS .
I dont mind paying a high price for rays I have seen how hard it is to work with them in remote locations .
I understand why the Mantilla name came about but there
You said it Miles "An unidentified species" Not Hybrid was named after an Exporter ..
The fish originates from Rio Tapajos ...
Cheers

 

[Bogwoodbruce]

Hi Anders , I have collected in Rhondonia , Acre , Amapa, pernambuco,Tapajos (several locals inc Pimental) Xingu river
Several locals Sao Felix do Xingu , Altamira .
Tocantins at Maraba . In Brazil .
Peru Rio Nanay , Rio mommon.
I am not blowing smoke .
I have done my homework .
At a great cost .
Where did you collect all these hybrid rays??
PS I own the LFS .
I dont mind paying a high price for rays I have seen how hard it is to work with them in remote locations .
I understand why the Mantilla name came about but there
You said it Miles "An unidentified species" Not Hybrid was named after an Exporter ..
The fish originates from Rio Tapajos ...
Cheers

What shop do you own???? Is it a maidenhead branch????