Needing help with my new 125g Tank

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SpeshulEd

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Well, I guess I should start out by saying, I'm a complete noob at this and have probably messed up badly, so please go easy on me. Most of my fish experience was back in college when I had smaller community tanks.

Over Easter weekend we found a good deal on a 125g tank. It came with the stand, two Penn-Plax Cascade filters (one is a 1000, the other is a 700 - I think), filter refill stuff, gravel, rock decorations and fish for $600 all delivered to my house. Seemed like a good deal.

The fish that came with the tank were a Red Bay Snook, a Jack Dempsey and two common plecos. I have no experience with cichlids, but I did a little research learning about them and figured what the heck, since they're already pretty big, we'd keep them and build from there.

The lady we bought it from informed us that she hadn't done any maintence on the tank in the last 4-6 weeks...no water changes or anything.

When the tank arrived, we set it up and filled it with water. After things had settled we slowly introduced the fish back into it along with another pleco that I had in a small 10g tank with some other small community fish.

Things were going great - the fish were getting along fairly well with minimum aggressiveness towards each other. I was doing weekly water changes of about 25%. Everything seemed to be fine so we thought we'd introduce another fish.

We ended up coming home with a small 2" Midas. He hunkered down toward the bottom of the tank for awhile, but after a few minutes he was swimming around and checking out his surroundings. When we added him, we also added some fake plants and another decoration. I had read that when you introduce fish to a cichlid tank to change/add decorations to break up established territories. I rinsed off the new decorations with hot tap water. I should also note that morning before the new fish, I had also done a 25% water change.

By that evening the fish were swimming near the top. I left them be and went to bed. The next morning I was up at 6am. All the fish were still near the top. So at this point, I kind of panic and start working on another larger water change and replacing the filter media with new stuff.

After about a 60% water change, I changed all the bio media in the filters, along with adding new carbon. I had ran out of the carbon the lady had given to me with the tank, so I sent the misses to Petsmart to go buy some more. She comes home with that and 3 more fish. :eek: wtf was she thinking, I don't know!? I put the new carbon in the filter. I did not have any extra sponges and they didn't have ones to match the filters at petsmart, so I rinsed those with tap water and put them back in as normal.

By this time, I'm stressed and I'm sure the fish are too...not to mention we're now floating 3 more additional fish in the top of the tank to add to it. Anyway, we add the fish and everyone seems to be getting along well except Midas. He's floating at the top. I took him out of the tank and put him in a small bowl of warm water and let him hang out there for a few hours. When we put him back in the big tank, he was still a little stressed, but by that night he was back to him old self, swimming around the tank.

The next day, all the fish are back at the top again. So I start reading more and more and I'm guessing the tank now has New Tank Syndrome since I changed all the filter media at once. Ugh. So I've been doing daily 25% water changes ever since. Which usually makes the fish happy for awhile...plus I now have a 20' hose, so the job has gotten much easier.

I've been keeping track of the levels and things are starting to level out and seem normal, but the fish still go to the top every day if I don't do the water changes. I've also cut back their food to try to speed up the process.

Right now my levels are:
Nitrate - 10ppm
Nitrite - 0ppm
Total hardness (GH) - 300ppm
Total Chlorine - 0ppm
Total Alkalinity - 180
PH - 7.8

Tap water is:
Nitrate - 0ppm
Nitrite - 0ppm
Hardness - 150ppm
Chlorine - 0ppm
Alkalinity - 180ppm
PH - 7.8

The fish in the tank are:
Red Bay Snook - 8"
Jack Dempsey - 6"
Blood Parrot - 2"
Albino Tiger Oscar - 2"
Midas - 2"
3 common Plecos ranging from 4"-8"

I try not to put any chemicals in the tank, however I do add a small amount of aquarium salt when I do the water changes. Usually far less than what it suggests though.

So here I am, with an overstocked fish tank, trying to keep the fish alive. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I'll be doing water changes.
 
Bring the 3 new fish back keep doing water changes and youll be fine but really bring the new fish back.
 
Don't be hard on yourself it happens. So how do we fix it?
1. First off the Blood Parrot, Midas, and Tiger Oscar are too small to be introduced with fish that size. Especially the Snook since they are predatory it will probably eat your three two inch fish. Take them back to the store. And you Jack Dempsey is probably beating them up as well.
2. Plecos are swimming poop machines and there isn't really any need for three. Keep the larger one and take the other two back (personally I would take all three back)
So by now you have a smaller stock
Red Bay Snook
Jack Dempsey
Common Pleco!
Your problems stem from how you started not your fault, but the lady who gave them to you should have known better. You should never get rid of all the water in the tank or clean all the filters and add 100% new water-recipe for disaster. You see when completely changing the water you have to wait for the healthy bacteria to form which for a 125 gallon should take atleast a week.
Personally, I would stop making water changes and let the bacteria form-which may be dangerous because ammonia levels could spike up the roof. After you do your last water change if you notice your fish are okay and the water does not smell or is not cloudy give it two weeks til you do another change.
As far as adding any more fish I would add something else like Silver Dollars or a medium sized cichlid. An Oscar would just produce more waste and would probably get kill by the Jack anyway.
BTW-it would be a good idea to wait a month til you add any fish.
Good luck and keep us updated!
 
the problem wasn't putting new water in, it was changing the established filter media. if the lady who you go the tank from just took it down to transport it over the media would have an established colony of bacteria. also carbon isn't the best filter media. biological and mechanical media are going to be the best at letting large number of bacteria to grow, more surface space the better.

when you said the fish were at the top of the tank, were they swimming or floating?

i do agree with shamrock on the stocking. the smaller fish are highly likely to become food for a red bay snook with their huge mouths or bullied by the JD. you're better off getting fish that are 4"+. also the pleco are going to pollute your tank quickly. i have small three plecos in my 125g, a royal, bristlenose, and clown, and they produce quite a bit of waste.

go back to doing your weekly WC. try not to mess with the filter media for a while. you should be fine, those fish are pretty hardy.
 
I agree with HiImsean. In addition, if the midas somehow survives long enough to get big...... there is a strong possibility that it will destroy everything in that tank anyway. It would be best not to have the Midas.
 
Do you have an ammonia test kit? When the tank is cycling, ammonia builds up first, and then it is converted to nitrite by the bacteria in the filter.

What media do you have in the filters? You said you changed out all the biomedia...biomedia is usually ceramic or sintered glass; not cheap but shouldn't be replaced anyway. I wouldn't use the carbon, it isn't actually needed. Leave whatever mechanical filtration you've got (sponges or whatever) alone and fill the rest with more biomedia. The most common brands are fluval biomax (should be available at petsmart), eheim ehfisubstrat, and seachem matrix. Matrix seems like the best deal to me, you can get 4 liters off the internet for $30.

Rinsing media in tap water is a bad idea, since chlorine kills bacteria. The easiest way to clean it is to rinse it off with tank water while doing a water change. I rarely change any of the media out in my filters; I rinse off the biomedia occasionally and clean the mechanical media (sponges or filter floss) fairly regularly and put it back in the filter.


Are you using dechlorinator?
 
Thank you all for your help, this makes me worry a little less.

The three little guys will be coming out...I think we can have a friend adopt them. I'm going to throw the smallest pleco in my little community tank. I haven't put an algae eater in there since taking out the other pleco, so he should have a field day when he first gets in there. It's just a temporary fix, but it'll work for awhile.

Sorry, when I said bio media, I meant Bio-Floss. The little filter has 3 trays, one sponge, one floss, and one with floss and carbon in it. The bigger filter is the same, but it has more trays for floss. I was really only going by what she had in there. I'm going to have to do some more investigating, but I understand what you guys are saying.

The fish are swimming near the top, kind of hanging in the same place, but they are swimming. No one is turning on their sides or anything and every now and again they take a lap around the tank and head back up to the top. I think I'll lay off on the water change today and just watch my levels. If anything gets too crazy, then I'll do the water change. I also bought an NH3 (ammonia) meter yesterday and put that in the tank. It said everything was fine this morning. Hopefully that'll help me keep an eye on things. Other than the aquarium salt, I'm not using any other chemicals. When I first got the tank up and running, I was adding some chemicals here and there. I put the AquaSafe stuff in that makes tap water safe for fish, and some water clarifier to clear cloudy water. I haven't put either in for awhile though. I also put in stuff to lower the PH and some things to lower nitrite levels and whatnot, but haven't put anything in since the beginning after I read in some different places not to put chemicals in and to just do water changes.

Again, thank you all for your help, its very much appreciated.
 
Are you on city water or on a well? If you are on city water, you MUST use a declorinator like Prime every time you do a water change. If you don't the chlorine will kill the bacteria in the filters and you start all over. The chlorine in the water can also be deadly to your fish. If you dose the tank, you must use the amount the bottle says for the full 125 gallons. If you fill by the bucket, dose the bucket before it goes into the tank and then you only have to dose the amount of water you are changing.
 
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