new bio media

[Nic]

With the shape that this media has, I'd be upping your current plans for mech filtration to at least include 2 cubic feet of course foam, 1 cubic foot of filter floss, then a micron filter sock or two, and finally some fine closed celled foam. The shape will clog in the middle if you don't have good mech.

you dont think the 200 micron filter socks then water being forced through a chamber or baffle set up (idea in design) will be enough???

 

[WyldFya]

you dont think the 200 micron filter socks then water being forced through a chamber or baffle set up (idea in design) will be enough???

Well if you really want to utilize the full surface area of a media shaped like that, you will have to have great mech to keep particles from getting to the bio. The specific shape of that media is inefficient IMO, and often clogs, and will lose surface area.

 

[Nic]

media will be in 100 micron filter bags.... ill up my mechanical if needed but i was thinking it should be fine being after the socks water must be forced through the filter floss..witch polishes water very well.... the socks will be hanging in a special chamber... all is in design now im trying to get everything figured out before i build... im trying to conserve and maximize all space... sump will be 75 gallon

 

[Mattyou]

Nic,
I have 2x 3 Liter Bags of the Bio-Max in one of my sumps. i just tossed the bags into the sump near the pump so they stay submerged at all times. I move them from place to place when setting up new tanks and they work great for that. I have had no trouble with them getting gunked up sitting in the bottom of my sump with only an overflow sponge as mech for the water they get. Granted they are not in a trickle chamber but still i think you should be OK with what your thinking as long as you keep up on the maintenance.

 

[WyldFya]

Nic,
I have 2x 3 Liter Bags of the Bio-Max in one of my sumps. i just tossed the bags into the sump near the pump so they stay submerged at all times. I move them from place to place when setting up new tanks and they work great for that. I have had no trouble with them getting gunked up sitting in the bottom of my sump with only an overflow sponge as mech for the water they get. Granted they are not in a trickle chamber but still i think you should be OK with what your thinking as long as you keep up on the maintenance.

Biomax clogs very easily as well. It still houses a good amount of bio-bacteria, but when you are talking about something as dramatic as 82,000 sq. ft/cubic ft, allowing it to get clogged, and lost 1/2 of it's bio capacity is absurd. Personally I'd say skip this stuff, and go with Ehfisubstrat pro, which has a much harder time clogging.

 

[Nic]

ok so back to question at hand..... will the filtersocks and some form of chamber filled with filter floss be enough mechanical filtration to keep the media of clogging??? if i need to go more hard core i will but i will have to change the entire lay out i set up... and i dont want to cause the other option takes away from bio area.... filter floss polishes water so if i force the water through it it should remove all the fine particles that will clog the media right???

 

[WyldFya]

Filter floss will work, but you will have to clean/replace it daily. Medias with that specific shape clog very easily, and lose a large percentage of their surface area.

 

[Nic]

Filter floss will work, but you will have to clean/replace it daily. Medias with that specific shape clog very easily, and lose a large percentage of their surface area.

i very fine filter bag less than 100M or its 100M will encase the 3 socks.... then there will be the floss.....

 

[Dr Joe]

Filter the water before it gets to the media, don't protect the media from the dirty water. Filter bags will surface clog and redirect the water around the media and you may not even be able to see it.

How about putting the 100m sock inside of a 10m sock (shorten the 100m sock by an inch or so to give extra flow thru the 10m sock), followed by the floss (which won't have to be cleaned as often now) then leave the ceramic media loose in the water column, no design changes to speak of, better particulate filtration and maximize the flow thru the ceramics. The matala mats will be biologic only in this configuration.

Watch for anywhere that channeling could take place too.

How about a mock-up drawing for us so we're on the same page .

Dr Joe

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[Nic]

let me make a really stupid drawing idea changed in my head...