New Fish Product In China

[ewurm]

nothing against asian ppl, but some of their customs are cruel in general. eating dogs cats and such, hunting seahorses to the brink of extinction for "medicinal "purposes, in japan they eat fugu and ppl die from it, a traditional asian delicacy is shark fin soup, they catch sharks, cut their fins off and throw them back in the water to die a horrible death. now a pocket danio with a lifespan of 2 wks?
^that makes me proud to have grown up in the culture of the northeast USA

If you have to qualify a statement with "No offense to Asian people", chances are you will be offending Asian people.

 

[BrtnBoy449]

Not to play devils advocate but is it worse than feeding that danio to some larger fish? IDK..

yes it is much worse! those fish fish die of starvation and lack of oxygen.

lets but it this way, would you rather be eaten by a shark which would be pretty quick or starve for two weeks and then die

 

[Sturgeon]

What a caucasian view. I suppose eating beef and pork is fine by you then? Different cultures farm different animals for meat. Bet you didn't know that pigs are considered one of the most intelligent animals after humans? (Debate exists as to whether the pig or dolphin is more intelligent.)
Hunting seahorses to the brink of extinction? A bit of an exaggeration, although I'll agree that taking them for "medicinal purposes" is quite dubious. If you want to get into species, think about the dodo and ivory billed woodpecker. Both species were hunted to extinction by Caucasians for meat and plumage, respectively. Yes, I agree that the practice of finning sharks is cruel and pointless, but can you really not think of similar situations perpetuated by non-Asians? How about dairy cows? They stand in cramped stalls, eat, and are milked daily. Any woman who has breastfed their child can attest to the fact that this is not exactly a pleasurable experience.
Fugu? Sure, it kills some people that eat it- but so does E. coli. You're telling me that you've never eaten a hamburger? Unless you're a vegan, you have no right to pick out a particular culture and lambaste them for perpetuating cruelty to animals.
Yes, I am Asian (Chinese), but no, I will not stand while you level pointed attacks at my culture.

If you interpret my statement as attacking your culture, than you must be mistaken. This thread has nothing to do with farming animals for meat. Its about the ethics that relate to keeping a danio in a plastic bag until it is depleted of oxygen and food.

While I don't necessarily care about a few danio's who will meet their ultimate fate early, It is the way they are to live their short life that gets under my skin. I'm no animal rights activist, I dont care for PETA, but it defies my grasp of concept that people will willingly, knowingly ignore commonsense and market a stupid gimmick that will be in style for a few weeks and then get put on the back burner.

I'm not a vegan, I love burgers. Sorry to get your hopes up but i cook them so i dont die from E. Coli.
Oh, I CAN point out a particular culture and say that- You are not farming danios in bags as a food item. therefor, it is cruel and inhumane, where animals farmed as food serve a higher purpose meaning they feed us and our pets. the novelty of a disposable fish in a bag intrigues you?. In every other example you give, you cite that the animal was farmed/hunted for food, or a product human consumers will benefit from.

I could have worded it a little better, particularly citing poachers who hunt animals for fur(worldwide problem) Africans who kill elephants for the ivory, us white folk and native americans who hunted bison and buffalo to near extinction, or any other species that has dwindled at the hand of another culture.

remain on topic. We are talking about animal deaths that go unjustified, for even the sake of amusement, royalties, novelty, and other insidious reasons.
While you are asian, I do not specifically point my finger at you, so I don't understand why you have to get all fired up and try to repRzent. My problem is with the person who is marketing this product, ane the people who purchase them for any reason other than letting the fish go.

take everything with a grain of salt. Life is bitter like that.

 

[Dr Joe]

Now that thats been said no flames or thread will be closed, Just discuss the product not the culture.

Dr Joe

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[Onion01]

Remember the ecospheres on the market? I'm not advocating it, but completely sealed ecosystems can exist.

You are right about that. But the ecosphere's purpose was to keep the living things alive. Carrying a fish around with the knowledge that it is only there for a short while is what bothers me. Again, i haven't seen this product. If there was some way to feed the animal, keep it alive, and still carry it around, i wouldn't have a big problem with it.

 

[Stormfire]

According to the article, it's SEALED so there's no way you can feed it even if you want to. I wonder if it's possible to cut open the bag and save the fish. But since it was advertised as a "fun toy" which will let children keep a small pet without needing to feed it or anything, most of the danios will probably meet their sad fate with the short lifespan of a "supposed" 3 weeks. Besides the price is equal to $2 in US Dollars so most who consider fish as "just" fish won't bother anyway. I'll try to cut out the article picture and post it here if I could find it.

 

[Onion01]

We must remember that even fish keeping can be viewed as animal cruelty. The largest tank on earth is like a grain of sand compared to a fish's natural environment. As fish keepers, we try our best to make a trade-off between the freedom the animal would otherwise have with a decent and comfortable life in our aquariums.
Trying to break cultural barriers and practices with one post on one thread probably won't lead to much. We have to understand where both sides are coming from. Some people are appalled by the eating of domestic pets. In Brazil I occasionally ate cat meat. I would never consider a horse food, but the French would disagree. The frogs love their poodles and dogs, while the chinese find them delicious. We have to be understanding.
Granted, I do position myself against anything that equates to the suffering of animal without (as sturgeon said), a greater cause. We might not like how cows are being treated, but ask any parent whether they would prefer a cow to live or their child to starve. It is a touchy subject. I understand that I will never really understand druu's culture, and I accept that. But the senseless torture of animals I do not agree with. I am for eating lobsters, even when they are instantaneously boiled alive after being thrown into a pot. I am against, however, japanese restaraunts that throw a live lobster on a hot grill, and let it crawl on it while pieces are cut off and eaten. I might not like it, but I am not against eating non-endangered dolphins, but the method by which they treated them in that famous internet video of them in japan is appalling. I am not against eating shark, but taking their fins and leaving them to bleed slowly to death is just wrong. So druu, you by all means should be proud of your culture and heritage, despite inevitable disagreements we have. I salute you as a fellow MFK

 

[Stormfire]

We must remember that even fish keeping can be viewed as animal cruelty. The largest tank on earth is like a grain of sand compared to a fish's natural environment. As fish keepers, we try our best to make a trade-off between the freedom the animal would otherwise have with a decent and comfortable life in our aquariums.
Trying to break cultural barriers and practices with one post on one thread probably won't lead to much. We have to understand where both sides are coming from. Some people are appalled by the eating of domestic pets. In Brazil I occasionally ate cat meat. I would never consider a horse food, but the French would disagree. The frogs love their poodles and dogs, while the chinese find them delicious. We have to be understanding.
Granted, I do position myself against anything that equates to the suffering of animal without (as sturgeon said), a greater cause. We might not like how cows are being treated, but ask any parent whether they would prefer a cow to live or their child to starve. It is a touchy subject. I understand that I will never really understand druu's culture, and I accept that. But the senseless torture of animals I do not agree with. I am for eating lobsters, even when they are instantaneously boiled alive after being thrown into a pot. I am against, however, japanese restaraunts that throw a live lobster on a hot grill, and let it crawl on it while pieces are cut off and eaten. I might not like it, but I am not against eating non-endangered dolphins, but the method by which they treated them in that famous internet video of them in japan is appalling. I am not against eating shark, but taking their fins and leaving them to bleed slowly to death is just wrong. So druu, you by all means should be proud of your culture and heritage, despite inevitable disagreements we have. I salute you as a fellow MFK

AGREED!!!

I find nothing wrong with eating animals for food. Animals kill for food, and some do it quite cruely, in a way, if done by a human would be considered as cruel animal slaughter. If they don't, they will starve. Most people know how cows are killed for beef, how they are kept in bad conditions for their milk, and how baby calves are kept in small, dark crates with no room to move to keep their flesh tender until slaughter for veal. Yet, most of us still eat it.

Then there is killing for entertainment. You may find it wrong when others find it a curtual pratice or "family entertain". You must respect others opinions whether they are for the better or the worse.

But still, what is your opinion on this matter?

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

 

[Onion01]

My final say...I don't like it. I would rather keep my fish in my tanks than in my pocket. Plus, imagine if that thing leaks