yeah i agree with pretty much everyone here. if you know how to tell if theyre culls like with big eyes and such and what to stay waway from, then you can take chances with the lfs, i got a beautiful dark turquoise about 4" that ive had for 4-5 months now doing fine for $10 at a lfs. but i got to others around me that have really sub-par ones for up to $50. and im goin to college, $50 is an arm and a leg. but private brreeders are the way to go. if you can order them direct form germany they will be pricey but they will be the best fish you could ever buy in my humble opinion.