New NFL illegal snap/ref positional penalties

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I like that there is not a guy running a pick for the offense...

The offensive coordinators are the ones who hate the new rule, there is not a slow ump sitting in the middle of the defense...

If Manning is so smart, he will find a way to use this as well...

Hate on Brady? It was Mannings ***** sessions that brought in the flags on the WRs...remember when NE mauled the WRs and Manning cried all the way home?
 
i love football debates but it's like fantasy football, you've gotta use logics and leave emotions out of it. I don't care if you hate NE, if tom brady, wes welker or randy moss is the best player available, you take them. Same with this "issue"
 
biggin;4419276; said:
I like that there is not a guy running a pick for the offense...

The offensive coordinators are the ones who hate the new rule, there is not a slow ump sitting in the middle of the defense...

If Manning is so smart, he will find a way to use this as well...

Hate on Brady? It was Mannings ***** sessions that brought in the flags on the WRs...remember when NE mauled the WRs and Manning cried all the way home?
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I'm pretty sure the "no hitting the qb under the knees" rule came into effect after Brady had his injury... Just sayin....
 
ballinouttacntrol;4419208; said:
Lmao, you know i'm a braves fan. I'm just saying that manning's mancrush and fanboys are amazing. His run is similiar to atlanta's run, dominating a division and only equaling one championship.

My team lost to indy in the ship? I root for indy every post season, doesn't mean i have to like peyton attempting to brutalize a rule and use it a way it wasn't meant to be used. I get the feeling that alot of people arguing pro peyton taking advantage of the rules are young football fans and don't understand that most teams do not attempt to do such a thing. The rule was meant to protect defenses more so then protect the refs, hence, equalizing the playing field
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This thread was started to complain about the new rule protecting refs, not the 12th man rule. And yes, all other teams do try to get the 12th man penalty. U telling me there is a NFL coach sitting in his team meetings telling his QB NOT to take 5yds? Come on. It's just that most QBs don't have the situational awareness that Manning has. A lot of the time, the subs they catch trying to leave the field are doing so because Peyton is changing plays to take advantage of mismatches. Then the defenses try to sub and get caught OR they are so confused trying to keep up with him changing the O package that they get caught out.

ALSO, 31yo Indy born and raised. Family season tix since they moved from Baltimore to present. Brought a coloring book to my first game and recently took my son and his coloring book to his first. Sat thru some of the worst seasons the NFL has ever seen. Peyton has played a HUGE role in reviving Indy and the Colts are good now. I have earned the right to have a "Manning Mancrush," but it's Mr. FanMAN over here.
 
You may be confusing the substitution rule- now when the O subs personnel they have to give the D a chance to do the same. D can't get a penalty for12 men in those cases. BUT, if O does NOT sub but D tries to and gets caught= penalty. It's a risk v reward thing. Pure sport.
 
Thank you for proving my point by stating your loyalty to your team, hence my point of taking emotions out of it. You can prove my point about coaches attempting to take advantage of this by showing me another team that does this......i asked and no one took up the offer. I'm still waiting. Like i stated before, it's silly to take pride in your team attempting to get cheap penalties instead of manning up and beating them the way the games meant to be played. I'm not at all an indy hater, i love watching them but they could win without pulling bs like that and you as a fan should know that.

How about working on how to cover onside kicks instead of "situational awareness"? hahaha
 
ballinouttacntrol;4421485; said:
Thank you for proving my point by stating your loyalty to your team, hence my point of taking emotions out of it. You can prove my point about coaches attempting to take advantage of this by showing me another team that does this......i asked and no one took up the offer. I'm still waiting. Like i stated before, it's silly to take pride in your team attempting to get cheap penalties instead of manning up and beating them the way the games meant to be played. I'm not at all an indy hater, i love watching them but they could win without pulling bs like that and you as a fan should know that.

How about working on how to cover onside kicks instead of "situational awareness"? hahaha
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I thought u were talkingabout fantasy drafts. I'm proudly emotional about the Colts. Doesn't mean I am not right. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth, maybe three. You like the Colts, but you LOVE to bash the Colts? And oh yeah, let me just get my personal pass to the NFL vaults and pull out all this game film to support what I am saying. I guarantee u every team in the NFL has done this. Or are u just arguing for sport? So your case is that teams will intentionally let the 12th guy stroll off the field without hiking the ball and getting 5yds? Right? Just want to be clear. That is plain silliness. Should they not let the kickers go for field goals cause they could beat teams with their tougher guys? Maybe they should never pass and run the ball all 4 downs cause it's what real men would do. Oh, no pads or helmets either. Makes as much sense as what u r saying. Teams can refuse to accept penalties. Should they always do that just to prove they don't need free yds?
 
ballinouttacntrol;4421485; said:
Like i stated before, it's silly to take pride in your team attempting to get cheap penalties instead of manning up and beating them the way the games meant to be played.
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If it was not the way the game was "meant to be played" they would change the rule. The NFL has proven that no rule/tradition is sacred, and u r the first person I have heard complain about it. It's like fouls in basketball: if u r playing streetball, u don't call hard fouls unless they r super brutal (just like it would be "weak" to try to call your own 12man penalty in backyard football), but in the NBA fouls are a necessary part of the game (just like 12 man rule in the NFL). Should all fouls never be called in the NBA cause it's weak to not take it like a man?
 
oh man, i don't even know if i want to read through all your rants but let me do that real quick.

Ok, first, i have no emotional attachment to the colts because they're not my team. Do you not have other teams that you follow and are happy for their success but don't take it as hard as when your colts lose or the same sense of pride when they win? That's the colts for me.

You don't need a vault to find example of this happening, at 31 years old and a football fan you probably catch 2 games a week? Over all the years you would've seen it done regularly by other teams, you don't. I'm not complaining about the rule, i'm complaining about how your vastly superior team feels it needs to gain yards this way. All those other things you're bringing up have no releavance in this conversation. Kicking is a part of the game, punting is a part of the game, they're bult in plays. Calling a play just because we're lined up and the other team is attempting to make subs is not a designed play unless you're the colts. Other teams will take it when it happens, colts look for it. You can't deny that fact.

Think about it, you're complaining because it takes a ref 3 or 4 seconds to run behind the running back or QB and it's destroying your offense? hahahaha, come on now. You have peyton freakin manning.
 
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