wow, over 16x turnover! Did you have to knock out some of the overflow teeth to be able to push that much water through them?
What pumps are you running?
New Stingray Home (600g)
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wow, over 16x turnover! Did you have to knock out some of the overflow teeth to be able to push that much water through them?
What pumps are you running?
one thing is for certain..EVERYONE will have their own opinion and most will not be the same.my 1000g (8x6x3) has a hammerhead and a dolphin 3000.thats it! my 1100 (10x5x3) had a hammerhead,reeflo dart gold and a dolphin 3000.a current 650/480 plumbed together (tanks are back to back)has a wlim 4500gph,(returns to the 650) and a reeflo dart gold (returns to the 480)
everyone of my tanks have 36x24x24 bio reactor chambers powered by alita al-40 or al-60 air pumps.4-50 micron socks ahead of the biochambers and the aforementioned return pumps.the sump in the attached picture is my 1100 in wall being rebuilt..i hope to have it running today.7x2x2 sump..2 hammerhead returns (this is my first tank in a long time to have substrate) 120w u.v.,2 hp chiller,and a 36" diameter homemade glass filter (yet to be assembled).notice the placement of the airstones. I put one in the sock chamber and 6 in the bio chamber siliconed to the bottom so the turbulence doesn't move them around (lesson learned from a previous sump).
you have my number don if theres anything I can help with.i am sure not everyone will agree with what I do but it has worked well for me and you know my success rate
everyone of my tanks have 36x24x24 bio reactor chambers powered by alita al-40 or al-60 air pumps.4-50 micron socks ahead of the biochambers and the aforementioned return pumps.the sump in the attached picture is my 1100 in wall being rebuilt..i hope to have it running today.7x2x2 sump..2 hammerhead returns (this is my first tank in a long time to have substrate) 120w u.v.,2 hp chiller,and a 36" diameter homemade glass filter (yet to be assembled).notice the placement of the airstones. I put one in the sock chamber and 6 in the bio chamber siliconed to the bottom so the turbulence doesn't move them around (lesson learned from a previous sump).
you have my number don if theres anything I can help with.i am sure not everyone will agree with what I do but it has worked well for me and you know my success rate
For comparison I have a reeflo barracuda on my 600 a that is it. Runs super super clean and feel it's more than enough pump for water volume and large rays. Most would say I'm overstocked but all the fish have lots of room.
Recently I discovered the cheap low power jebao pumps that are advertising at 85 watts when I plugged mine in they came out at 90 watts. 3170gph. I have one running a super long run of pipe and about 15-90 degree elbows and the one pump is running my 400 gallon tank that I have added off the 600 gallons sump. Now is that pump setup perfect heck on its hooked up to a tank that was re purposed 4 times now with all sorts of filtration. But with rays they keep the bottom clean and all junk moving to the filtration.
I also have one of these pumps running a 120 reef tank and the skimmer and have it turned down to just over half power.
But overall after doing a much of math and cost comparisons and what I found the jebao pumps to be most cost effective and even if one or two burned out in a couple years they could be replaved at a savings over other pumps. but have not really looked at the dart golds even though the initial buy price is very high so that will probably hurt them a good bit. But I have not tested my jebao pumps fully for life. I just purchased them a few months ago and am happy with my results thus far. I'm probably going to order 3-4 more so I can setup some other stuff that I need and want to do.
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Recently I discovered the cheap low power jebao pumps that are advertising at 85 watts when I plugged mine in they came out at 90 watts. 3170gph. I have one running a super long run of pipe and about 15-90 degree elbows and the one pump is running my 400 gallon tank that I have added off the 600 gallons sump. Now is that pump setup perfect heck on its hooked up to a tank that was re purposed 4 times now with all sorts of filtration. But with rays they keep the bottom clean and all junk moving to the filtration.
I also have one of these pumps running a 120 reef tank and the skimmer and have it turned down to just over half power.
But overall after doing a much of math and cost comparisons and what I found the jebao pumps to be most cost effective and even if one or two burned out in a couple years they could be replaved at a savings over other pumps. but have not really looked at the dart golds even though the initial buy price is very high so that will probably hurt them a good bit. But I have not tested my jebao pumps fully for life. I just purchased them a few months ago and am happy with my results thus far. I'm probably going to order 3-4 more so I can setup some other stuff that I need and want to do.
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one thing is for certain..EVERYONE will have their own opinion and most will not be the same.my 1000g (8x6x3) has a hammerhead and a dolphin 3000.thats it! my 1100 (10x5x3) had a hammerhead,reeflo dart gold and a dolphin 3000.a current 650/480 plumbed together (tanks are back to back)has a wlim 4500gph,(returns to the 650) and a reeflo dart gold (returns to the 480)
everyone of my tanks have 36x24x24 bio reactor chambers powered by alita al-40 or al-60 air pumps.4-50 micron socks ahead of the biochambers and the aforementioned return pumps.the sump in the attached picture is my 1100 in wall being rebuilt..i hope to have it running today.7x2x2 sump..2 hammerhead returns (this is my first tank in a long time to have substrate) 120w u.v.,2 hp chiller,and a 36" diameter homemade glass filter (yet to be assembled).notice the placement of the airstones. I put one in the sock chamber and 6 in the bio chamber siliconed to the bottom so the turbulence doesn't move them around (lesson learned from a previous sump).
you have my number don if theres anything I can help with.i am sure not everyone will agree with what I do but it has worked well for me and you know my success rate
I do know your succes rate and thats why I appreciate your input. I will be in touch. Thanks!
So your 600 only runs on a single Barracuda? So what is your flow, a little over 3000GPH?
Thanks for your input also Kevin.
I figure about 3500 gph. Tank is 10x4x2. I have another friend with the same setup same pump.
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8500 evolution external. No i didnt need to knock out teeth, i had both my tanks drilled with four 2" drains which needed lots of teeth anyways. Also with alot of turnover you never need powerheads or anything
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Yes, my pumps are older models. I have no Emerson motored ones (new ones like the adds you posted). The Darts I have are AO Smith motor (3.6K gph) and the Hybrids are Baldor motors (4.3K gph). Dolphins are Baldor as well. I run these pumps cause one of the Dolphins has been going for almost 10 years. So when my submersibles failed I went back to reliability. These are the kind of pumps you see in the classifieds for $125-200. I buy used cause they're trustworthy and reliable. Not sure I could justify buying a used submersible. Every pump I have mine has been bought used and like I said they've proven very reliable and the wattage readings on a kill-a-watt back up the efficiency. I should double check them all with pics......lol. I could be off.....
It's hard to compare the effects of water on a pump when the water is different. Water here is really hard (almost 700 microsiemens). Doesn't seem to bother smaller submersibles but most aren't metal sleeved where the impeller is. According to some of the numbers I've heard regarding others water I'd suspect big submersibles to run for years without issue, as there's only a fraction of the mineral content in the water......
I've only had one of my pumps develop a seal dribble. Caught it right away cause I just leave the dishes I use when pluming them in underneath to insure there's no leaks. Give me a dribble any day over coming home to dead fish cause the submersible scaled up, locked up, and killed fish/bio....... I have far too much invested in fish to risk the water flow stopping.
Guess how many submersible pumps here have stray voltage??? How many externals??? Something that may or may not be a factor depending on beliefs......
Everyone has their own opinion, I know I do, but experience trumps opinion in my eyes.....
That's why I hope to have filtration like CJs someday......
It's hard to talk about pump when you only talk about "story" or mfr chart. How can what I said hold true with external pump, when you can't tell the difference between a leak seal and a locked up pump that needs a new shaft, new impeller, or a new replacement? Just look at the difference of the damage DB mentioned with a locked up pump vs the water damage from a leak seal. All you see is gph per watt base on advertised mfr, without verifying, to save a few bucks off the monthy electric bill, and fail to see the big picture, but then, it's hard for you to see a big picture, when you don't keep big fish!Hi John, I come in peace, to talk about pumps...
What you say also holds true for external pumps. For every story about submersibles locking up, there are plenty of stories of bad seals on external pumps and people having water damage as a result. It would be impossible to determine which pump will last longer in this thread. I know of Reeflos and Lagunas that have been running for many many years without any problems.
Unfortunately, I've had 4 Reeflo pumps (2 Hammerheads and 2 Super Dart Golds) with seals that leaked right out of the box (drip, drip, drip from where the shaft enters the impeller chamber), so I personally prefer submersibles these days...specifically, Lagunas. At least with a submersible, you don't have to replace the seals every few years and you don't risk water damage.
In regards to their efficiency, are you saying that Laguna embellishes their performance figures and Reeflo cuts themselves short?
Customer Service goes to Reeflo hands down (they treat customers right) and I've never even dealt with Laguna customer service. But the reason I know the customer service at Reeflo is awesome is because I had to deal with them for several months due to leaking pumps they had sent me. Take a guess why I have no idea whether or not Laguna's customer service is any good?
...That's right
I agree with this statement, but by your own admission, you've never owned a Laguna pump, so your opinion of them is based on what? It sounds like you are lumping all submersibles in the same category, but they aren't all created equal. You suggested shadowstryker stear clear of Lagunas because of “Power consumption, GPH at typical tank head, cost, comparing them to other pumps” yet the Laguna comes out ahead in all these categories, hence my post.
This discussion has turned into a debate on whether or not submersibles are better than externals...the reason I posted wasn't to start this debate (both types of pumps have their place), but rather to point out the false statement that Lagunas are less efficient and more expensive than Reeflos. Reeflos may have some advantages over Lagunas but efficiency and price are not among them.
Maybe one day I will buy all these different pumps and test flow at various head heights and take note of wattage on my kill-a-watt, but for now all we are able to go off of is the performance figures that the pump manufacturers put out.
I'm not trying to be polemical, but when someone says 2 is less than 1, I’m going to challenge that. The durability issue can be debated until the cows come home, but unless you can prove otherwise, the performance numbers are what they are.
But my “tank” is bigger than yours, so I don’t need to buy big fish to overcompensate.
Sounds like your pump wins the efficiency award.
8500GPH @ 5' head on 363 watts is 23.4GPH per watt. That's awesome!
I've heard they can be a bit noisy; has that been your experience?
They do have a little hum to them but i mounted them on sound deff fabric. Plus mine are all in a seperate fish room in the basement so i dont mind
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