New to Rope Fish - help on set up

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You guys are way too sweet. <3 Thanks for the compliments.

I have an Eheim 2217 (Classic) canister filter on my 65 and it's been fantastic. Exceptionally reliable, very quiet.

This past year I upgraded the intake and output to their newer style and I prefer them - make it easier for maintenance, don't show as much (gray vs bright green), are more bomb-proof where the attachment points are out toward the tank and you can adjust the output spray bar in three different sections. Since polys don't necessarily need high flow, I have my holes pointed so that 2 go at and down the glass, and one airates the surface. But in a longer tank like the 55 gallon you might want them pointed down the length of the tank - anyway, you can play with it. :)

The ones it originally came with totally work and are fine, the upgrade is something you can do later on if you need to be more frugal now with buying everything else.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014FIOQC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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you make it sound much less intimidating lol i saved the links. is it over kill to double the filter size of the tank size? i've always used double than i needed. like in my current tank, it is 10 gal, so i have a 20 gal filter on it. not sure why i do that, but been doing it for about 30 years. but then again, they are basic filter cartridges, i have never had a "good" filter set up before so i don't know if it would be needed or not. my cory's will be in new tank too, so if i can set up some type of current somewhere, they would be ecstatic, such clowns. but i want to make sure there isn't too much current since, from what i have been researching, the poly's and ropes don't like much current. frugal is key right now, next summer though, it's on like donkey kong! everything i read says the ropes only need a minimum of 55 gal long, but knowing they grow up to 36" long, i really don't think it is big enough for her or the others i will be getting end of the year. i just really want to make sure they are comfortable and happy. 55 will be the transition until they get their permanent tank. after they get their permanent tank, i'll be turning the 55 into a semi-aggressive tank (because i really love a lot of those fish too, like the tiger barbs and clown loaches)
 
Re: tank size- standard 55 gallon tanks are 4 feet long. Take my advice and do NOT get a 3 foot tank unless it's a short term situation and you plan on upgrading again when you move. My 65 gallon tank is much more limiting for future stocking than a 55 or 75 due to the 3-foot length.

That being said, the 65 seemed totally fine for the ropes... they are flexible and they use the height of the tank when swimming unlike my other polys. But it's the other tank mates that will limit you - most fish prefer to swim horizontally, not vertically. If I had kept my current tank as originally planned with the Delhezi, Polli, Ropes, and Moke I would have gone to a 75 just to give them more room to swim.


noted. see, the internet doesn't know everything lol everything i read, the ropes need a LONG tank, not tall. thats why i was having a hard time finding what i needed, i'm looking at the length of it and not the height. but now that you mention it, i do notice that she spends more time wriggling upwards, comes back down, slithers along the perimeter but goes back up and almost swims diagonally it seems. so what you are saying totally makes sense and i do appreciate you educating me on that as well. so a 55 will be ok until the summer next year? after i move in april, i will start collecting the supplies needed to get the much bigger permanent tank. (i'm thinking a 150? plan to have a total of 3 ropes and 3 bichers, the bn pleco and my 3 little piggies. i'll go bigger if i need to). i want to get a mid level swimmer, i see so many on here that have one good sized mid level with their bichers but all the ones i find are semi-aggressive and not sure how that will work with the ropes. which, makes me want to ask about the bichers too, since you have had the bichers and ropes together, it was peaceful? from what i am finding, the bichers are semi-aggressive as well.
 
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I only spot-clean when siphoning during water changes as the snails and the pair of Callichthys I have pretty much removes the need. As for substrate usually I go for fine sand from the local beach. I just wash it thoroughly with warm water in a bucket and empty the bucket as many times as needed, i.e. until the water is clear. But really if you do have a local beach I recommend you get it from there. Natural sand actually helps as it contains tons of nutrients and minerals, just make sure it's collected from a healthy looking place, and do wash it first.

As for lighting, it's entirely up to the amount and types of plants you have. There are plenty of plants that will tolerate a low light setup, with for example LED lighting. The aforementioned plants that attach to driftwood for example, most kinds of moss, and crypts will thrive, if grow somewhat slower in low light. These plants and others will be great if you also have a lot of floating plants, which will also tolerate low light conditions because they're at the surface, where the light is. However if you want a truly densely planted tank you will have to upgrade to high output tube-lighting, or similar. These can be very expensive to buy new, but you can get some incredibly good deals on second-hand aquarium stuff so look into that if on a budget.

It should be mentioned that most of the plants considered low-light plants will also thrive even more in high light conditions, many species of crypt for example will grow a deep reddish/purple in high light conditions. Just keep in mind that slow growers like Anubias are prone to accumulating algae in high light conditions, especially the persistent BBA, or black brush algae, so make sure you have a proper clean-up crew. In fact, in high-light setups algae control is always a must. Some fish of the species Crossocheilus are easily the best kind of algae eating fish I know of, they will eat every species of algae it seems and are entertaining to watch. The Siamese Algae Eater is the most commonly employed, but a much less known bigger variety is Crossocheilus Reticulatus, or Reticulated Flying Fox, it grows to some 17cm average and is just as good if maybe better than the SAE at controlling algae. The Ancistrus and other Plecos are also great at cleaning plants, especially broad leaved plants. A lot of people on this forum will tell you that keeping a common or Sailfin Pleco with Polypterids is madness because of the Pleco's apparent habit of sucking on Ganoid scaled fishes' slime coat, and that only species of Ancistrus will be safe. This is nonsense, or at least partly. A great many algae eating fish, INCLUDING Bristlenose Plecos and SAE will suck on other fishes' slime coats, not only ganoid scaled fish, but all kinds of fish. The slime coat of Bichirs and Gars are just more complex, and richer in protein, and that is where the problem lies. Alot of Pleco species don't get enough proteins in the aquarium, as most think the algae and the odd algae wafer is sufficient, and that's when the slime coat problems arise. The various common Pleco species are more omnivorous and require a good deal of protein in their diet which is why they often are the first to suck on the fishes slimecoats. But Ancistrus species will also, although they're more herbivorous so will often get their protein from leftovers from other fish if not fed protein directly. With SAE it's seldom a problem as they will readily take fish flakes. My Sailfin Pleco goes crazy for market prawn, and I've never had a problem with him. The Apple snails mentioned are also great for algae control, they get big with tough shells, so they will be able to withstand playful/hungry Bichirs. I have two myself and they are entertaining to watch as they hover up to the surface for air and down again. Just be weary that a couple of Apple snail species will happily eat its way through a plated tank, the most common one being a perpetrator. Most are plant safe though, just do some research first.

As for mid-level swimmers, there are plenty to choose from. Emperor Tetras and other variants are great for a growout tank, while a few species like the Congo Tetra get big enough to stay with small Bichir species for life. The aforementioned algae eater species are really active and occupy primarily the mid level. They'll switch between chilling in the current, dutifully ridding the tank of alge, and playfully chasing each other in a manner similar to silver sharks to whom they are closely related. Some of the bigger Gourami species can also really compliment a Poly tank with their beautiful patterns and curious behaviour. The Snakeskin Gourami in particular. Then there are various Barbs, Catfish, etc. If you have the space i the future you should also get a Florida Gar, truly fascinating fish that will occupy the mid to top of the tank, and mine have been nothing but peaceful so far.

As for tank size, Ropefish tend to grow slow, but if you're getting Bichirs any time soon and upgrade shouldn't be too far away in the future, they grow fairly fast, in proper conditions you can expect an inch of growth a month, but with you current timeframe it should work out fine.
 
So just to say if magpie magpie gives you info on taking care of Ropes heed that advise listen to her every word and treat it as gospel! Oh on Polys to! Her ropes that I now have are the biggest nicest ropes ive ever seen! And Udon is such a big beautiful girl! All the boys in my tank are smitten!

+1 on magpie magpie she does know what she is talking about

you make it sound much less intimidating lol i saved the links. is it over kill to double the filter size of the tank size?

canister filters are not as intimidating as they seem at 1st and filtration should be sized to bioload not just aquarium size my 100 gallon(which is over stocked) has 2x magnum 350's and a hob rated at 70 gallons

noted. see, the internet doesn't know everything lol everything i read, the ropes need a LONG tank, not tall. thats why i was having a hard time finding what i needed, i'm looking at the length of it and not the height. but now that you mention it, i do notice that she spends more time wriggling upwards, comes back down, slithers along the perimeter but goes back up and almost swims diagonally it seems. so what you are saying totally makes sense and i do appreciate you educating me on that as well. so a 55 will be ok until the summer next year? after i move in april, i will start collecting the supplies needed to get the much bigger permanent tank. (i'm thinking a 150? plan to have a total of 3 ropes and 3 bichers, the bn pleco and my 3 little piggies. i'll go bigger if i need to). i want to get a mid level swimmer, i see so many on here that have one good sized mid level with their bichers but all the ones i find are semi-aggressive and not sure how that will work with the ropes. which, makes me want to ask about the bichers too, since you have had the bichers and ropes together, it was peaceful? from what i am finding, the bichers are semi-aggressive as well.

upperjaw bichirs and ropes usually get along great all mine share a tank and I have 1x wc del, 1x cb del, 1x moke, 1x teug, 1x ornate, 1x polli, 1x sen, 1x albino sen, and 3x ropes and all are peaceful

I only spot-clean when siphoning during water changes as the snails and the pair of Callichthys I have pretty much removes the need. As for substrate usually I go for fine sand from the local beach. I just wash it thoroughly with warm water in a bucket and empty the bucket as many times as needed, i.e. until the water is clear. But really if you do have a local beach I recommend you get it from there. Natural sand actually helps as it contains tons of nutrients and minerals, just make sure it's collected from a healthy looking place, and do wash it first.

I would bake the sand to kill bacteria


The Ancistrus and other Plecos are also great at cleaning plants, especially broad leaved plants. A lot of people on this forum will tell you that keeping a common or Sailfin Pleco with Polypterids is madness because of the Pleco's apparent habit of sucking on Ganoid scaled fishes' slime coat, and that only species of Ancistrus will be safe. This is nonsense, or at least partly. A great many algae eating fish, INCLUDING Bristlenose Plecos and SAE will suck on other fishes' slime coats, not only ganoid scaled fish, but all kinds of fish. The slime coat of Bichirs and Gars are just more complex, and richer in protein, and that is where the problem lies. Alot of Pleco species don't get enough proteins in the aquarium, as most think the algae and the odd algae wafer is sufficient, and that's when the slime coat problems arise. The various common Pleco species are more omnivorous and require a good deal of protein in their diet which is why they often are the first to suck on the fishes slimecoats. But Ancistrus species will also, although they're more herbivorous so will often get their protein from leftovers from other fish if not fed protein directly.

My experience with plecos and bichirs is that most of the time they work out well together but the biggest offenders of slime coat sucking is with the Genera Pterygoplichthys I currently have L027a Xingu Royal, L076 Orange Seam, L190 Royal, L137 Bruno, L264 Sultan, Hypostomus laplatae, and an unidentified Pterygoplichthys. There isn't a problem with them now but I do keep a close eye on them

As for tank size, Ropefish tend to grow slow, but if you're getting Bichirs any time soon and upgrade shouldn't be too far away in the future, they grow fairly fast, in proper conditions you can expect an inch of growth a month, but with you current timeframe it should work out fine.

the inch a month growth will only be for a short time because most upperjaw bichirs slow down around 6-10"
 
I only spot-clean when siphoning during water changes as the snails and the pair of Callichthys I have pretty much removes the need. As for substrate usually I go for fine sand from the local beach. I just wash it thoroughly with warm water in a bucket and empty the bucket as many times as needed, i.e. until the water is clear. But really if you do have a local beach I recommend you get it from there. Natural sand actually helps as it contains tons of nutrients and minerals, just make sure it's collected from a healthy looking place, and do wash it first.

As for mid-level swimmers, there are plenty to choose from. Emperor Tetras and other variants are great for a growout tank, while a few species like the Congo Tetra get big enough to stay with small Bichir species for life. The aforementioned algae eater species are really active and occupy primarily the mid level. They'll switch between chilling in the current, dutifully ridding the tank of alge, and playfully chasing each other in a manner similar to silver sharks to whom they are closely related. Some of the bigger Gourami species can also really compliment a Poly tank with their beautiful patterns and curious behaviour. The Snakeskin Gourami in particular. Then there are various Barbs, Catfish, etc. If you have the space i the future you should also get a Florida Gar, truly fascinating fish that will occupy the mid to top of the tank, and mine have been nothing but peaceful so far.

As for tank size, Ropefish tend to grow slow, but if you're getting Bichirs any time soon and upgrade shouldn't be too far away in the future, they grow fairly fast, in proper conditions you can expect an inch of growth a month, but with you current timeframe it should work out fine.


I live in Florida off the Gulf Coast, sand is definitely plenty by me. I have thought of doing that, but i worry about bacteria and the salt in it. So that thought pretty much ended quickly.

I will look up those tetra's you mentioned, i didn't know there were tetras that got big enough to be in a carnivorous tank (my rope readily and happily snacked on several neons last week, but those are really small ones).

the only type of pleco i have ever had are the bn's, they generally ignore any other fish i have, including in my semi-aggressive tanks i have had in the past. although my current 1.3" bn is quite the buddy of the rope, when he isn't running around eating, he can be found near the rope, never bothering it, just seems to stick close by. I make sure the pleco gets lots of protein (although my current tank is lacking the dw since no one around here sells one small enough to fit into my tank) but he gets veggies on a regular basis and 2 wafers a week to suppliment plus he eats the brine shrimp and apparently he enjoys the blood worms too. the bn's don't get very big which is a big reason why i enjoy having them.

the next tank i am currently working on is not going to be a full load, i will for sure be getting 2 more ropes, then probably 2 bichers, i'm thinking of the del because of the striking colors on it. would love to get an ornate but from what i read, they are probably more advanced for me? still in the research phase though.

so much to consider and think about, the tank seems to be the easier part of the process lol it's what will be going in that is going to take a lot of thought. these types of fish are entirely new to me so i want to make sure i don't mix the wrong ones together and cause undue stress.

what is a grow out? i have seen that term several times in the forums in reference to the poly's.
 
A 55 is totally fine for ropes until next summer, and for the smaller upper jaw bichirs - for life.

My bichirs and ropes got along great- they'd snuggle together frequently.

For other fish just get a list going of what you like and we can help you pick. Most mild to moderately tempered cichlids will ignore polys. Any other fish should be deep bodied so they aren't eaten, as mentioned like Congo tetras.

A fish to look into is Ctenopoma Acutiostre (not sure on that last word spelling but it's close.) Cool looking, predatory, interactive, and also from Africa.


For filters the more the better for the most part as long as the current is appropriate. The 2217 has something like 200 gph so obviously more than twice the tank if you get a 55.
 
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T thefredpit what is a hob? and i didn't know to filter according to bio load (seriously, 30 years of fish and i feel like i know absolutely nothing!) so, if in a 55gal with 3 ropes, 3 cory's, a bn, 2 bicher, and an unknown mid level swimmer, what would the bio load filtration be?
 
BNs are totally fine with bichirs. I mean you should always watch for potential slime coat sucking with any plecos but I've not heard of any problems with BNs. Common plecos are bad in that regard.

Ornates will outgrow your 55 quickly. They are one of the "big 3" upper jaw bichirs along with Teugelsi and Weeksii.

A grow out tank is a smaller one to raise a
fish to a larger size in before it's ready to go in a big tank, either for feeding reasons or because tank mates might eat it when small.
 
A 55 is totally fine for ropes until next summer, and for the smaller upper jaw bichirs - for life.

My bichirs and ropes got along great- they'd snuggle together frequently.

For other fish just get a list going of what you like and we can help you pick. Most mild to moderately tempered cichlids will ignore polys. Any other fish should be deep bodied so they aren't eaten, as mentioned like Congo tetras.

A fish to look into is Ctenopoma Acutiostre (not sure on that last word spelling but it's close.) Cool looking, predatory, interactive, and also from Africa.


For filters the more the better for the most part as long as the current is appropriate. The 2217 has something like 200 gph so obviously more than twice the tank if you get a 55.

I did start a list last night on the mid levels that appealed to me. i will work on finishing that up, i got tired by 1am, and show you all what i have found interest in. i hear so many great things about cichlids and there are so many beautiful ones out there. thanks for the extra info on the filter, i did keep the information on the filter you named yesterday, i'll be looking into it more this week. hoping to get the full "sketch" of the set up by mid october. then i can do a final price out on them all and start piecing it up for december.

side note, my rope is out and doing "laps" around the baby bn lol he is sucking on the glass and the rope just keeps going around and around him. :) <3
 
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