Not sure if a 55gl WD is enough to filter a 400gl tank, was there any BIO filtration???5 days might be enough to kill off your BB. amonina spike is possible. If he stop running the 400 for 5 days before the rays were introduced then yes absolutely will the amonina sky rocket. The other thing you need to know is if the rays were eating before hand. CB or WC, if rays are not eating they will probably not eat now until they are acclimated. Another question to ask is were the rays deadly skinny looking?
Why isnt it? i got 2 wet drys built off of 29 gallons 1 is running a heavy stock 180 with no problems.... if there was no bio then what kind of wet dry would it be?
1 day is enough to kill your BB... if there is nothing for them to consume they start to die...
I am using a 60g wetdry/sump on my 320g. It also has an XP3 filter, an Ultima 1000 filter and 2 hydrosponges V. It is a good idea to have more than one type of filtration in case one fails. And five days does seem like a long time without a bioload to keep the filter bacteria alive. However, it would take a while for 4 small rays to polute a 400g tank.
I am inclined to think that they died due to stress. How did he add them to the tank, did he use the drip method to get them used to the new water or did he just float the bag for a while and dump them in?
I used a 55gl WD on my 180gl. I just like to have plenty of filtration. If I were to setup a 400gl tank, I would probably due a 125 or 180 as a wet/dry and 2 FX5.
As far as BIO, some people don't use chemical bio filtration. Floss or balls just doesn't cut it sometimes.
Ok I got a couple answers. I believe he just floated them and added water to the bag from the tank. His filter is made up of filter matt and scrubbies. I have to get back to you on what the water permimeters where. He said water temp was in the range of 83 degrees. Is this to warm?
83 is fine, I have my tank set to 84. From all the info you have provided, either the amonina spiked in the tank, or these rays were so stressed, they didn't even have a chance.
I would have to disagree with you there; my evidence is empirical (but without a control), so here it is.
I added a single ray (12+" leopoldi/pearl hybrid) to an already well-established and cycled 600 gallon tank. Within 12 hours, and with only a light feeding, the ammonia had spiked up to a whopping 4.0ppm. It went down quickly over the next few hours, and it has since stabilized, but four stingrays is quite the heavy load on a filter (especially if the nitrifying bacteria has all but died of starvation). The ammonia produced by a 4" retic can kick the ammonia easily up to considerable levels in a 125 gallon water system overnight. Even if ammonia wasn't the primary killer (as moving stingrays carries with it a certain amount of stress inherent in the task itself, not to mention that they more than likely suffered heavy levels of stress in transit and at the LFS), it seems like it could not be ruled out as being a serious contributer in this case.
Lesson learned, I suppose, but a shame none the less.
I used a 55gl WD on my 180gl. I just like to have plenty of filtration. If I were to setup a 400gl tank, I would probably due a 125 or 180 as a wet/dry and 2 FX5.
As far as BIO, some people don't use chemical bio filtration. Floss or balls just doesn't cut it sometimes.
i have yet to see a real need for chemical bio media unless there is a power outage..... i mean i gotta ask are you just out for your post count? cause your making no sense in this thread...
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Ok I got a couple answers. I believe he just floated them and added water to the bag from the tank. His filter is made up of filter matt and scrubbies. I have to get back to you on what the water permimeters where. He said water temp was in the range of 83 degrees. Is this to warm?
his method of putting them in seems fine... ive just dumped rays in a tank..
as far as water params they are kinda pointless now... the rays are dead so if it was ammonia its too late now... best bet is to have him read all the stickies here and join up and search around the forums if he wants to try again....
I can care less about my post count. Sorry that I don't have 15,000 post so I can be as cruel/cool as you. I was just offering my opinions and information. This is what people do right? People ask questions and people respond with answers. Sorry to get off topic, but I am not sure what I have done to push your buttons?
im thinking that maybe the rays were in terrible condition from the gecko. the theory of the bacteria dieing off is a very sound theory! that theory and what i just mentioned are a recipe for disaster!!
