New Widebars.... good price --- Seattle, WA
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There are many different ways of ID'ing Indos from Pulchers other than just there tail.
Almost all Indonesian Datnoides have the 3 tail markings, However, this is not a positive way of identification because Widebars can have 3 tail markings also. People have debated that the tail stripes tell which basin/river they came from but that is a different topic for another discussion.
Widebars tend to have a more curved head as opposed to indos which have a straighter head (usally they have to be 8 inches or more to ID Indo's this way).
Indonesian's bars tend to have a more "wavy" pattern rather than straight like Widebars do. Widebars middle bar tend to sweep backwards rather than a 3 barred Indo's which there middle bar is usally more up and down rather than sweeping backwards.
Also Stability is another thing. Usally 90% of the time a widebar will be stable and never turn black. Where as Indos are almost always unstable and are constantly changing color. I have never seen a widebar that was completely black unless it was very stressed or it was sick even then they werent completely black. I see all black Indo's all the time. Some of these weird Indonesian Dats i have seen in Asia have been extremely stable. Marshey has a extremely stable Indo that would put some people's widebars to shame. But were in the US so i doubt anyone is going to find one that is stable all the time.
Basically, If you have been looking at Datnoide's for a long enough time you can almost usally tell what the species it is by first glance. If someone made a stickey im sure it would be alot more helpfull to people new to dats.
Almost all Indonesian Datnoides have the 3 tail markings, However, this is not a positive way of identification because Widebars can have 3 tail markings also. People have debated that the tail stripes tell which basin/river they came from but that is a different topic for another discussion.
Widebars tend to have a more curved head as opposed to indos which have a straighter head (usally they have to be 8 inches or more to ID Indo's this way).
Indonesian's bars tend to have a more "wavy" pattern rather than straight like Widebars do. Widebars middle bar tend to sweep backwards rather than a 3 barred Indo's which there middle bar is usally more up and down rather than sweeping backwards.
Also Stability is another thing. Usally 90% of the time a widebar will be stable and never turn black. Where as Indos are almost always unstable and are constantly changing color. I have never seen a widebar that was completely black unless it was very stressed or it was sick even then they werent completely black. I see all black Indo's all the time. Some of these weird Indonesian Dats i have seen in Asia have been extremely stable. Marshey has a extremely stable Indo that would put some people's widebars to shame. But were in the US so i doubt anyone is going to find one that is stable all the time.
Basically, If you have been looking at Datnoide's for a long enough time you can almost usally tell what the species it is by first glance. If someone made a stickey im sure it would be alot more helpfull to people new to dats.
yeah those are Datnioides microlepis aka indo tiger, these are the 3 bar ones showing up a lot lately.
just to let people know that i have it on good authority that you can get small ST's, they are available but cost a lot and are in small numbers but they are available but unfortunatley not in the UK or USA at the moment.
just to let people know that i have it on good authority that you can get small ST's, they are available but cost a lot and are in small numbers but they are available but unfortunatley not in the UK or USA at the moment.
Pulcher;1354640; said:
they are worth whatever he is willing to pay for them.
also have to think about demand.
check out this thread: I had the same exact question, and all the responses were very informative with diagrams
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109380
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109380
DiXoN;1354735; said:
are these illegally smuggled pulchers? i heard there were some, but the price of course will be expensive
edit: also wanted to add that indos have a more narrow and long body and ST have more of a stumpy and short body
sQwiReL;1355763; said:
i have no clue where they were from just there was some for sale around 2-3''
Its illegal for them to be exported out of Thailand, but not illegal to own/sell them once they are out side.
LFS by me had a 5-6" Pulcher, that they had labeled as a NGT. This is because they don't know jack about Dats, and because it was first smuggled out of thailand labled as a different species.
The owner told me this fish was not imported from Thailand, so most likely was shipped out illegally from Thailand to a closer country, then shipped to the U.S. from a country that does not have laws against exporting Pulchers.
LFS by me had a 5-6" Pulcher, that they had labeled as a NGT. This is because they don't know jack about Dats, and because it was first smuggled out of thailand labled as a different species.
The owner told me this fish was not imported from Thailand, so most likely was shipped out illegally from Thailand to a closer country, then shipped to the U.S. from a country that does not have laws against exporting Pulchers.
TheMightyOscar;1354743; said:they are worth whatever he is willing to pay for them.
also have to think about demand.
Exactly and area.. Something in cali might be more plentiful than it is in Washington or other areas. I'd pay $30.00 locally for a decent size indo.
