newbie needs goldfish help. thank you

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knifegill;4807158; said:
Feeder goldfish are badly stunted and a one year old fish my only be two inches long. Are yours from good stock or are they cheap feeders?

Wouldn't be able to tell you.
I'd guess cheap though. The fish in the tank were in horrible condition. half were dying or sick. But the tank was very nice, had live plants, and fairly big in size too

postshawn;4807203; said:
Ok, I have some of those goldfish too. The thing is you need a bigger tank. Sure you can wait until they get bigger. That's if they live that long. They can't heal properly without the required space. They may heal and they may not in that 10g tank. For these goldfish they need about 15 gallons for the first one and 10 gallons for everyone after that. If you don't want them for too long then the 10 gallon may only provide them with a year or two of life and you can move on. Pet stores don't tell you about this because most times they don't know or don't care since they are basically feeder fish and they figure they won't live long anyway. That's why they have so many diseases and even the non feeder goldfish kind of get put aside for care to the tropical fish. If your ex's father has all these big expensive fish then maybe you should see if he has a larger tank that he can loan or give or sell you.

The temperature you have it at is close to the top of what goldfish like. Goldfish are cold water fish (compared to "tropical" fish) and nn my experience goldfish like between 62-74 degrees F. Mine is right around 70-72 so it should be fine. But don't add other tropical fish because it can be stressful for one or the other depending on the temps of the tank.

Just because the fish were clean looking in the store out of a bunch with 25% dead doesn't mean they are disease free. Can you walk the street and tell who is sick and who isn't? Same with fish. If they were in that tank they may be clean and maybe not. So just be aware of that and that they probably came with whatever is wrong with them. But getting them out of that situation is the first step for survival.

I know you are trying to take care of them the best you can. And I give props on that. That's how I started with the ones I have, well my fiance wanted to save them from their fate.

As for the issues with them, as stated they are some of the most hardy fish out there. One of mine when it was young had a large hole in it. It was about an inch and a half, maybe two inches. It had a whole the diameter of a common sharpie marker. The LFS (Local Fish Store, not Petco or Petsmart) told me just marine salt. So I added a bit of marine salt, forgot how much exactly. And sure enough in about 3 weeks time you couldn't even tell the fish had a hole in it. Now that same fish is almost 7 inches and my largest goldfish currently. It's been about 15 months since the hole. The fins will heal on their own. Things that might cause them to get hurt like split fins could be bad quality fake plants, sharp rocks, aquarium ornaments that are too small (mine swim anything they can wiggle through), etc.

Anyway good luck with your fish. I hope it goes well.

I have had two comets before. they lived for about 11 maybe 12 years in a 10 gallon tank.
they were happy and fine, so that is just a myth about a 15G tank for the first fish and 10G each fish after that. Thanks for the concern though.

I know I'm pretty much at the limit of my temp.
Its about 70F right now. Heater kicks on a bit, so I may gradually lower it.
The heater is almost on it's lowest setting lol

I added some table salt, about 2 teaspoons worth. To relieve stress and hopefully help with that red dot on the fish.
As for the other fish's fin. It has completely healed already! Very fast healing there.
Also I will be getting some jungle tabs to treat them against parasites that may or may not on them. After the tank cycles though.
Thank you!
 
crucial09;4807248; said:
I have had two comets before. they lived for about 11 maybe 12 years in a 10 gallon tank.
they were happy and fine, so that is just a myth about a 15G tank for the first fish and 10G each fish after that. Thanks for the concern though.


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Goldfish get well over 12"- They can not live in a 10 gallon tank for life.

We are trying to help you, and then you turn around and try to say something that multiple people have said isn't true...

those fish might be better off back at the pet store.

I can tell you have no intention of upgrading your tank.

:banhim: :swear:
 
Well I have experience in that particular area. and I'm telling you they lived fine in that tank.
I'm listening to all of the other advise except for that because I have proven that wrong.
Move on.
 
crucial09;4807288; said:
Well I have experience in that particular area. and I'm telling you they lived fine in that tank.
I'm listening to all of the other advise except for that because I have proven that wrong.
Move on.


You have NOT been proven wrong.

A fish that gets 12+" can't be housed in a 10 gallon tank for life and reach it's full potential.


Stick with the computers, and leave the fish to someone who will actually care.
 
Goldfish live for more than 25+ years. 11 years old is not a "long" life for a GF.

I'm not gonna go into name calling with someone who doesn't CARE one lick about what anyone says to you.

You can NOT healthfully keep these fish in this tank for life.

It's like putting yourself in a dog cage, and saying "there- this is your home.. for the REST of your life."

LISTEN to what us fellow fish keepers have to say before you open your mouth and start getting defensive.
 
crucial09;4807288; said:
Well I have experience in that particular area. and I'm telling you they lived fine in that tank.
I'm listening to all of the other advise except for that because I have proven that wrong.
Move on.

I kept my goldfish at 86 or so (reason for that is they were feeders for my turtle before I knew better than to use goldfish as a food source). They then moved up to a 70 gallon tank and grew to 9 inches within the year (just cheap comets, 42 cents each)
They are now in a 20 foot pond (no longer with me). 70 gallons was not enough for the 9 goldfish (in there for less than a year), so I do agree they should have at least 10 gallons a fish. Nitrates were just way too high even with large water changes weekly.

Key word, they should be in something larger. A dog can survive in a kennel its whole life, it certainly does not mean that it should.

Should being key here.
 
crucial09;4807288; said:
Well I have experience in that particular area. and I'm telling you they lived fine in that tank.
I'm listening to all of the other advise except for that because I have proven that wrong.
Move on.
You should change that to they survived in that tank. They didn't live fine!
 
i love this thread...and i want to throw in a little bit.

My mother has this same train of thought...they lived just fine!!

lol....she had a 20 gallon tank,
Stock:
1 comet gold fish,
2 angel fish (palm size)
1 14 inch pleco,
1 8 inch bala shark
assorted fish at any given time..

she had one 25 gallon hob filter and a heater
water changes were done ever 6 months or so, when she scrubbed the entire tank down and pute it back up...they lived like that for like....4 years every thing got huge!

she still today thinks she is a good fish keeper, and that id o to much work to my tanks.....sure the fish survived for 4 years but is surviving really the best measurements here when they were living in there own filth suffocating on it.

Anyway this was not a dig at the OP,

To the OP, i understand you are taking some of this info as a possible attack, and yes you might upgrade. These people are honestly just thinking about the good of your fish, ..Yes some need to be a little nicer but....you did come here asking for help than...you shoot down ever thing provided, anyway i hope things come around for you and you continue to enjoy and become as passionate about it as most of us on here are.
 
knifegill;4807158; said:
Feeder goldfish are badly stunted and a one year old fish my only be two inches long. Are yours from good stock or are they cheap feeders?
Valid questions. Actually, if the goldfish are exhibiting breeding signs at very small size, then chances are good they are stunted. It's the best way I can tell a goldfish is easily stunted. They don't hit sexual maturity until they hit at least 5-6 inches. Now that one would have a potential to reach the full size they are capable of. I've seen inch to three inch goldfish spawning. They're horribly stunted in this case.

Oh, guys, give me a break already! This slug fest is getting to my nerves. I have lots of issues on my plate already.:nilly: I might sound like a curmudgeon soon.:duh:
 
I don't know how they could have clean water. In my 70 gallon with well over 1000 gallons of water running through filters per hour, my goldfish did not have clean water. They also had high nitrates with no ammonia or nitrites(that makes sense since goldfish are pigs IMO and produce a lot of waste which turns into nitrates eventually). Do you remember what your nitrates were? Water can be clear without being clean, until you look at the molecular level, you will not know if you have clean water.

As for upgrading, I do advice upgrading asap frankly. I know tanks cost more in canada than the states, but you can sometimes get tanks for free even ( i got a 55 gallon for free, just had to go get it). Now a 55 gallon would not be enough for these comets for life, but it would hold them fine for awhile.
keep your eyes on kijiji. That is what i do everyday, always looking for a bigger tank.
 
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