NLS ingredient change ?

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In my opinion, when it comes to pelleted fish foods, there is Northfin, NLS, and then everyone else looking up.

Lookee there, we finally agree on something.

Pablo had mentioned to me some of these changes that were coming up, and why he was going in this direction, but as I no longer have anything to do with the company, or their products, I really don't feel comfortable discussing specifics. That, and many things that we discuss aren't meant for public forums.

Labels show min and/or max, industry standards are generally typical analysis, and guaranteed analysis. In other words, with a pet food label one can adjust numbers up and down slightly as there is some wiggle room, depending on what the true min/max values are. Where as a typical analysis is an actual average across a certain number of batches. Many/most countries, and even state regulatory bodies can and often do check these numbers, so one can't just make things up as they go along. On pet food labels, a point or two in any direction is really no big deal.

What I do know, and can talk about, is a couple of years back Pablo began experimenting more with aquatic based plant matter, seaweed, kelp, and various algae (reflected in his new algae based food) and began using less wheat, and a higher inclusion rate of seaweed/algae ingredients. So if anything, today's food has less wheat and more aquatic based plant matter, which serve as both binding agents, and nutrient sources.

Most probably wouldn't remember this, but many years ago (15+?) NLS contained soybean meal. Pablo realized that he could lose the anti-nutritional matter often found in soybean meal, by paying far more and using a cleaner source of soybean, soybean isolate. No other manufacturer at that time spent that kind of money on soybean isolate or concentrate. I still wasn't thrilled with that, and told him so. I prefer as little terrestrial based plant matter in a fish food as possible. A few years back he called me to tell me that he was dropping soybean altogether, and called me in advance of the change in formulas (and labels) as he knew this had always been a bit of an issue with me. I was thrilled!

That's a man who is always looking ahead, and accepting changes in science, and even at the age of I think 77 now, he is still willing to change things up and make improvements in his food.

Also years back he had squid meal in all of his formulas, and removed it due to some red tape with various EU countries I believe. I wasn't thrilled about that either, so I am quite pleased to see the reintroduction of another similar raw ingredient. (mollusks)

Who knows, maybe some of you will actually see these changes as a big plus after using the new formulas for awhile? If not, then I guess you can change things up. Either way it's all good by me.
 
Ok i was told herring wasnt removed as an ingredients but is sometimes not offered and instead of constantly changing labels they just listed fish meal. That works for me


As to the second ingredient beng wheat. No answer yet. I think my kids gave me the flu so im going to go die now.
 
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My wife and the kids are wearing those medical masks and treating me like a patient from that movie outbreak wtf ! They gote sick on the first place.

Any way im satisfied with the replies i got back from NLS. I cant copy into the thread from my phone but basically they still use herring but when its not available they will substitue it with manhaden (have no idea what that is) and squid. They may at times just use "fish meal" as the second ingredient so they arent constantly changing labels. Also was stated that theraA and algaemax have no changed.

I asked a few more questions but at this point im thinking thw jumbo fish formula and the medicated ones are where the changes took place. Also kittie kat (i think) stated she just pucked up a new container and the list confirmed this
 
kittie kat (i think) stated she just pucked up a new container and the list confirmed this
I brought it in early December or late November - I think, my memory is terrible.
The lid says that the expiry date is Dec 2018, Lot No. 102 if that helps any, not sure how it would, but it might somehow. :)
 
Geez, OP asked a simple question. Here is a simple answer:

I went into my LFS earlier TODAY and had a look at NLS big fish 3 mm floating type pellets, both the standard and TherA in 600g containers. Both had ingredients of: 1. Whole antarctic krill. 2. Herring meal. 3. Wheat ?meal (can't remember second word exactly but the first was wheat). Seemed like the main difference was TherA had garlic in it.

I ended up buying Hikari BioGold+ anyway since it was about half the price and from what I have read is probably one of the best foods for reducing waste. To me personally, who has only time for 1 water change a week, water quality is more important than feeding them 5 star foods when 4 star ones will get the job done with cleaner water.
 
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agreed.
 
Pops, have you ever seen that t-shirt that says "I'm with stupid"?
 
THQ - Seeing as you decided to do exactly what the OP didn't ask for (comparing food brands), I think that you will find that when buying foods (of any brand) in larger bulk size containers, ounce for ounce the price will always be less than Hikari Bio-Gold. And if reducing waste via probiotics interests you (which is what Hikari adds to that formula) there is a sticky on that very subject. As you will see Pops is also fascinated with the concept.

http://monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/the-use-of-probiotics-in-aquaculture.536531/
 
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