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IE i can say that most of the geophagus species dont bother other fish. There is some of the larger species that can be bullies. Im currently growing out 11 G. Brasiliensis and they are bullies but i love the looks of them. The tapajos red head are a dosile species that IMO dont give a f about other fish.
 
IE i can say that most of the geophagus species dont bother other fish. There is some of the larger species that can be bullies. Im currently growing out 11 G. Brasiliensis and they are bullies but i love the looks of them. The tapajos red head are a dosile species that IMO dont give a f about other fish.
I second that. Geos are great.
 
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I think the bigger question is, where did this little geo come from, and how much that you have at risk? Even with a proper qt bad things can happen, sometimes just one more little fish creates disasters. You have a nice set up currently, Cory, personally I would pass on an unknown geo from unknown sources, potentially carrying unknown pathogens. But that's just me.
 
The tapajos red head are a dosile species that IMO dont give a f about other fish.

While generally speaking I would agree, I once had a single RH Tapajos in with a group of clown loaches, and he picked on the smallest (male) clown loach in the group. Nothing violent, but he always directed his angst towards that loach as it was the only fish in the tank that he could dominate. About 18 months in I removed the geo due to this behaviour.
 
I think the bigger question is, where did this little geo come from, and how much that you have at risk? Even with a proper qt bad things can happen, sometimes just one more little fish creates disasters. You have a nice set up currently, Cory, personally I would pass on an unknown geo from unknown sources, potentially carrying unknown pathogens. But that's just me.

That or you can develop MTS syndrome and, you could set up another tank for him

I think RD's comment is going to stick with me when I eventually upgrade my tank by sourcing my future fish only from where i sourced most of my fish recently.

I'll get my clown Loaches from Divers Den where they go through a QT procedure including some anti parasite dip that I've read is similar to that used for fish being QT for public Aquariums. That's cause it's a wild fish that likely to have been exposed to stuff in the wild.

I'll get my rainbows from the same farm I've gotten most of my current ones (Imperial Tropicals). I have had healthy fish from them and I suppose future fish will be the same and exposed to the same water and conditions as previous fish

I did violate it by adopting this clown Loach that turned out fine and my first purchase from an LFS but I think in the future I wouldn't do this, especially as my stock has build up over the last year.

As I've said in other threads, I'd probably try Wetspot since people have had good experiences with them and I'd need to get certain fish from them that are unavailable from the other two sources.

Maybe I've gotten too paranoid though. I think I'm too wary now to buy from even the three LFS near me that seem to have decent stocks. I keep picturing all the fish from various sources mixing in the tanks at the store, increasing the chance for exposure to other pathogens.

With the quarantine procedure at DD above I figure I'm safer. With the farm, it's the same potential pathogens as fish I already have plus again they seem to be healthy anyway. It's direct from them so no additional exposure at the LFS.
 
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It appears to me its a Heckelii in the pec fins especially. They are a geo also, little more aggressive but usually not to much so. Pretty fish when adults and still sift sand but can do without as they will also eat from the water column.
 
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I'm not telling Cory anything that he doesn't already know, but for others maybe a good time to read this.
BTW - if one reads between the lines a little, the importing facility mentioned in this paper was based in Portland Oregon. And, all these researchers were testing for, were antibiotic resistance bacteria. Who knows what else some of these fish were packing when they arrived in Portland.




I posted the following here on MFK several yrs ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23294440/

Imported ornamental fish are colonized with antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

Rose S, et al. J Fish Dis. 2013.

Abstract
There has been growing concern about the overuse of antibiotics in the ornamental fish industry and its possible effect on the increasing drug resistance in both commensal and pathogenic organisms in these fish. The aim of this study was to carry out an assessment of the diversity of bacteria, including pathogens, in ornamental fish species imported into North America and to assess their antibiotic resistance. Kidney samples were collected from 32 freshwater ornamental fish of various species, which arrived to an importing facility in Portland, Oregon from Colombia, Singapore and Florida. Sixty-four unique bacterial colonies were isolated and identified by PCR using bacterial 16S primers and DNA sequencing. Multiple isolates were identified as bacteria with potential to cause disease in both fish and humans. The antibiotic resistance profile of each isolate was performed for nine different antibiotics. Among them, cefotaxime (16% resistance among isolates) was the antibiotic associated with more activity, while the least active was tetracycline (77% resistant). Knowing information about the diversity of bacteria in imported ornamental fish, as well as the resistance profiles for the bacteria will be useful in more effectively treating clinical infected fish, and also potential zoonoses in the future.


And a follow up of that study.

https://today.oregonstate.edu/archi...industry-faces-problems-antibiotic-resistance

Ornamental fish industry faces problems with antibiotic resistance

January 15, 2013
NEWPORT, Ore. - The $15 billion ornamental fish industry faces a global problem with antibiotic resistance, a new study concludes, raising concern that treatments for fish diseases may not work when needed - and creating yet another mechanism for exposing humans to antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

The risk to humans is probably minor unless they frequently work with fish or have compromised immune systems, researchers said, although transmission of disease from tropical fish has been shown to occur. More serious is the risk to this industry, which has grown significantly in recent years, and is now a $900 million annual business in the United States.

There are few regulations in the U.S. or elsewhere about treating ornamental fish with antibiotics, experts say. Antibiotics are used routinely, such as when fish are facing stress due to transport, whether or not they have shown any sign of disease.

"We expected to find some antibiotic resistance, but it was surprising to find such high levels, including resistance in some cases where the antibiotic is rarely used," said Tim Miller-Morgan, a veterinary aquatics specialist with Oregon State University. "We appear to already have set ourselves up for some pretty serious problems within the industry."

In the new study, 32 freshwater fish of various species were tested for resistance to nine different antibiotics, and some resistance was found to every antibiotic. The highest level of resistance, 77 percent, was found with the common antibiotic tetracycline. The fish were tested in Portland, Ore., after being transported from Colombia, Singapore and Florida.

Findings of the study were reported in the Journal of Fish Diseases.

The bacterial infections found in the fish included Aeromonas, Pseudomonas, Staphylococcus and others, several of which can infect both fish and humans.

"The range of resistance is often quite disturbing," the scientists wrote in their report. "It is not uncommon to see resistance to a wide range of antibiotic classes, including beta-lactams, macrolides, tetracyclines, sulphonamides, quinolones, cephalosporins and chloramphenicol."

Problems and concerns with antibiotic resistance have been growing for years, Miller-Morgan said. The nature of the resistance can range widely, causing an antibiotic to lose some, or all of its effectiveness.

There have been documented cases of disease transmission from fish to humans, he said, but it's not common. It would be a particular concern for anyone with a weak or compromised immune system, he pointed out, and people with such health issues should discuss tropical fish management with their physician. Workers who constantly handle tropical fish may also face a higher level of risk.

From an industry perspective, losses of fish to bacterial disease may become increasingly severe, he said, because antibiotics will lose their effectiveness.

Anyone handling tropical fish can use some basic precautions that should help, Miller-Morgan said. Consumers should buy only healthy fish; avoid cleaning tanks with open cuts or sores on their hands; use gloves; immediately remove sick fish from tanks; consider quarantining all new fish in a separate tank for 30 days; wash hands after working with fish; and never use antibiotics in a fish tank unless actually treating a known fish disease caused by bacteria.

"We don't think individuals should ever use antibiotics in a random, preventive or prophylactic method," Miller-Morgan said. "Even hobbyists can learn more about how to identify tropical fish parasites and diseases, and use antibiotics only if a bacterial disease is diagnosed."

On an industry level, he said, considerable progress could be made with improvements in fish husbandry, better screening and handling, and use of quarantines, rather than antibiotics, to reduce fish disease.

The ornamental fish industry is large and diverse, including trade of more than 6,000 species of freshwater and marine fish from more than 100 different countries. About half the supply originates in Asia, and freshwater farming of ornamental fish is a rapidly growing industry.



Also increasing is the number of trained fish veterinarians, who can help fish hobbyists to reduce disease loss and save treasured pets. More information is available from the World Aquatic Veterinary Medical Association and the American Association of Fish Veterinarians. A database of aquatic veterinarians is available online, at http://aquavetmed.info
 
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