Northfin food
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How pray tell when comparing those top 4 ingredients, can one determine which ingredient has a greater inclusion rate over another, in each product? As an example, NLS could have 700 pounds of herring meal in 1 ton of that formula, and NF could have 250 pounds of herring, and 250 pounds of sardine, for a total of 500 pounds of fish meal, followed by how much wheat flour?
Not a mathematician but if N.L.S had 700 pounds of herring meal in it, it would be listed as number 1 ingredient. Think the maximum would be 400 pounds or less. Probably a lot less to make room for that uneaten brown flour..
Not a mathematician but if N.L.S had 700 pounds of herring meal in it, it would be listed as number 1 ingredient. Think the maximum would be 400 pounds or less. Probably a lot less to make room for that uneaten brown flour..
I've heard several people now complain about NLS clogging filters and having fed it exclusively to well over 1000 gallons of tanks, and now over 2000 gallons, I have never had this problem. It is incredibly nutrient dense so you only need to feed a fraction of what you do with most pellets. And it is crucial to feed a pellet small enough to swallow whole, without the need to chew. My advice to you is to step up your husbandry program if you filters get clogged so quickly,and/or feed less. No matter how much time and effort you put into your tanks, if you let your filters get clogged up than something needs to change. It is a food that if administered incorrectly could make one hell of a mess, but if you feed appropriate rations in appropriate sizes, there is no more mess and IMO less mess than there is with any other pellet. I for one don't even feed every day and all of my fish do just fine getting fed the small amounts I feed and grow at a more than acceptable rate. My 17.5" male umbee for example is just over three and a half years old, has been breeding every three weeks since he was 8", and has been fed NLS exclusively since he was that size. Pretty solid growth from a fish that breeds that often.
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Keep thinking, and maybe some day Darius will be able to get it close to NLS. 
BTW - since you switched teams 2-3 yrs ago, NLS has actually reduced its wheat flour by a significant amount. They did so by increasing their 4th ingredient (algae meal) by adding yet another aquatic based algae to the mix. (chlorella algae)
The algae meal used in NLS is actually quite complex, a bit more involved than just using kelp, and that mix now acts as not just a source of nutrients, but also as a binding agent, thereby allowing the reduction in terrestrial based plant matter.
How cool is that?
And yeah, overfeeding causes clogged up filters. Like Trace, I never seem to have that issue.
BTW - since you switched teams 2-3 yrs ago, NLS has actually reduced its wheat flour by a significant amount. They did so by increasing their 4th ingredient (algae meal) by adding yet another aquatic based algae to the mix. (chlorella algae)
The algae meal used in NLS is actually quite complex, a bit more involved than just using kelp, and that mix now acts as not just a source of nutrients, but also as a binding agent, thereby allowing the reduction in terrestrial based plant matter.
How cool is that?
And yeah, overfeeding causes clogged up filters. Like Trace, I never seem to have that issue.
Trust me, your comments in this discussion aren't helping your close friend, especially when you use youtube videos of "world renowned" quacks to back up your claims. Just sayin ......
The Dr. Quack video and subsequent comments were meant to be taken tongue in cheek . Sorry it went over your head. Just saying//
Don't remember asking for husbandry advice. Guess if you are feeding an 18 inch umbee you don't have to worry about uneaten food. Pretty sure you could throw a pogo on a stick in there and he'd eat the stick.
You state that N.L.S. reduced their flour 2 to 3 years ago. That is about the time I switched to NorthFin. Any idea why they reduced the flour. Just for fun or were they responding to customer complaints. Could it be that they were recognizing deficiencies in their formula?
If they reduced their flour and still have a lower protein rate as NorthFin wouldn't that mean that they are still using more flour than NorthFin
Don't remember asking for husbandry advice. Guess if you are feeding an 18 inch umbee you don't have to worry about uneaten food. Pretty sure you could throw a pogo on a stick in there and he'd eat the stick.
You state that N.L.S. reduced their flour 2 to 3 years ago. That is about the time I switched to NorthFin. Any idea why they reduced the flour. Just for fun or were they responding to customer complaints. Could it be that they were recognizing deficiencies in their formula?
If they reduced their flour and still have a lower protein rate as NorthFin wouldn't that mean that they are still using more flour than NorthFin
LMAO, nice try. That's what happens when you shoot your mouth off on a public forum, without doing your homework first. Boom!
That's actually what I said, not that this change took place 2-3 yrs ago.
Lesson #2 on reading fish food labels - crude protein is listed as a minimum value, not maximum. See how that works? It keeps the wannabes guessing, like most everything else they have printed on their labels. I'm surprised that your close friend Darius wouldn't have explained some of this to you.
They reduced their flour for the same reason they have made every other change over the past 20 yrs or so, to improve their product. That's what smart companies do, they stay up to date with the most current science available and tweak things whenever they feel something can be improved upon.
I live an hour from Toronto and I want to order some Northfin. Where can I so this?
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Well, here's what I see... A guy that apparently used to sell NLS decided to make his own food that's pretty damn similar and now wants to hop on forums to promote it, gets his friends to help, and gets other members on board by "sponsoring" them with free food.
North fin wouldn't exist without NLS, so bad mouthing NLS on a public forum doesn't look good on north fin. IMO you should be thanking Pablo and his food. 95% of your formula was copied right off the back of his labels.
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North fin wouldn't exist without NLS, so bad mouthing NLS on a public forum doesn't look good on north fin. IMO you should be thanking Pablo and his food. 95% of your formula was copied right off the back of his labels.
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K I well Im not on the NLS band wagon, and Im not going to jump on it. I am Canadian and I want feed my fish food that is made by a Canadian company. I have lots of fish to feed and have read lots of great reviews on Northfin and can't wait to use it. I have never used GREAT NLS lol and my fish are healthy and look great and my tanks are great. I have been using Wardley Cichlid pellets with great results.
I have never used Northfin either but I can't wait to try it.
I don't care if people think its a copy of NLS, Im sure NLS copied someone just as much as Northfin may have if they even did. Nothing wrong with taking the positives and trying to make something better. Its how we get better food and its how things progress. I just hate in when the NLS "team" gets all up in arms in most discussions about food. To be quite honest it seems ridiculous and thats why I refuse to use NLS regardless of how good the label reads.
I have never used Northfin either but I can't wait to try it.
I don't care if people think its a copy of NLS, Im sure NLS copied someone just as much as Northfin may have if they even did. Nothing wrong with taking the positives and trying to make something better. Its how we get better food and its how things progress. I just hate in when the NLS "team" gets all up in arms in most discussions about food. To be quite honest it seems ridiculous and thats why I refuse to use NLS regardless of how good the label reads.
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