Notre Dame Is Burning!

[Ulu]

We have the technology to recreate most of the Wood Construction as steel and reinforced concrete, and when it's finished you will not be able to tell the difference except that it will be much more Fireproof.

It can also be done in engineered wood products which alleviates the need for huge trees. With modern glue and joining methods you can create machine stress rated Lumber which is stronger than natural sawn logs.

In doing this, and by using Modern Roofing Products + eliminating things like lead, we can make the whole superstructure lighter than the original and that reduces the load on the Aging Masonry.

 

[Ulu]

. . . What is lost cannot be recovered . . .

With modern tech it can look about as good as the often cleaned and re-touched original. All his stuff has been continually repaired and retouched over the years anyhow.

It won't be the original, but it will be the pride of France when it gets done.

Our firm engineered the repairs to the St. John's spires here. Though they were smaller than Notre Dame, they were riddled with insects and fungus. We couldn't rebuild them exactly but they were rickety and moved in the wind! I suppose they could have closed this historic church, removed the dangerous parts, and left it as a ruin. Instead we replaced the rotten parts with steel & reinforced it all with steel. We also added diaphragms as reinforcement, making the spires much stiffer than the original.

BTW, Did you guys know there is a 3/4 scale replica of Notre Dame, built by the local Catholics, across from Cincinnati, in Covington Kentucky?

I have only seen the exterior of both, so no clue how faithful a recreation it is, but they spent some cash. There was lots of money from trade on the Erie Canal and Ohio/Mississippi system, with big breweries and meat packing houses in Covington and big banks in Cincinnati.

Back when Chicago was a muddy stockyard with a train depot, Cincinnati was the Queen of the Midwest.

They also have their own Brooklyn bridge, built by the father of the engineer who did the Brooklyn bridge, and after which it is generally modeled.

 

[Warborg]

just no trees left that big in the amount.

California Redwoods?

 

[Warborg]

Twin towers had design flaws ? It withstood an explosions in the lower levels. I doubt many buildings would survive a passenger jet.

I heard them talk about about it for a few years after 9/11. Seems searching is a little hard. Most say there wasn't any. I did find this

While acknowledging the many innovations that went into the design of the WTC towers in the 1960s including one of the earliest applications of computer stress analysis Hamburger also cited several features that made the buildings vulnerable to the intense fires that ultimately caused their collapse.

"The floor trusses [joists] were relatively flimsy. As the tower collapsed, the trusses just fell apart," he observed, noting that trusses are difficult to fireproof.

Hamburger noted that each tower was constructed using a novel tube frame system designed to resist winds of up to 80 miles per hour. But the connections of the tube frame were weak, causing them to break apart and become three-pronged missiles that crashed into the street and into nearby buildings.

 

[Warborg]

Nobody is asking you to buy anything pops. All we're saying is there is a pattern, and it is highly suspicious imo to declare a still burning fire an accident. You know the the agenda they're pushing. You have your head in the sand again pops.

Yea, that's silly. Maybe it was an inside job.

 

[skjl47]

BTW, Did you guys know there is a 3/4 scale replica of Notre Dame, built by the local Catholics, across from Cincinnati, in Covington Kentucky?

I drove thru Covington KY today. I did see a church with a nice spire from the interstate 75. I guess the fire was on my mind.
Have no idea if it was the one you mention.
I sorta get the notion of restoration but it seems there should be limits. If a building is intact I can see fixing rot and such stuff. I have been doing that to my own home. If a painting is old and crusty or the stained glass windows are still intact but have some surface damage then sure fix it up as best it can be.
But a whole bunch of that place is just gone. It is a church site so why not build a better church in the same place. My guess is if the fist builders had modern tools and materials available now way back when they would have used them. The old growth trees are gone for sure so why not a modern structure integrated with what is left standing?
The history is gone with the part that burned. I do not see how to get it back. Even if the structure can be made to look like the old building we will all know it is fake.
In the end I do not have a dog in this fight. I will not be paying for it so will leave it to the buildings owners.

 

[Ulu]

Every historic building in California is either falling apart from earthquakes or "faked up" because reinforcement was added for safety.

One of the biggest issues seen also affected the WTC. The floor slabs come loose from the walls, and the walls fall away.

This is how the SF bay bridge collapsed. It moved a little too much and the floor (road) came loose from the wall of the tower.

This is the Covington Cathedral. It looks like they didn't actually finish the bell towers. . . .


Notre Dame damage areas

 

[Ulu]

Covington, from Google Earth. There is no spire! LOL
I guess it's not 100% faithful.

 

[jaws7777]

Oh you didn't expect this Frank!?? You know better!!!! This is going like clockwork...

Honestly Rock your right. If thats the case then I hope it doesnt get rebuilt. Nothing about a place of worship should be diverse.

I heard them talk about about it for a few years after 9/11. Seems searching is a little hard. Most say there wasn't any. I did find this

There was all sorts of wild speculation at the time, design flaws aside the appearance of the building doesnt have much to do with why it fell or how it was rebuilt.

Money disnt come out of my pocket directly so i dont have much of a say

 

[Ulu]

I know I'm going off topic here but I had one of those Twilight Zone moments . . .

I have not been in Covington since 1966, but last night, while I was half asleep I realized that I had lied to you folks. I have been inside the three quarter notre dame. But it was 53 years ago and it all came back to me at the edge of consciousness last night

My Uncle Ray was the sexton of that Basilica and lived in the parish house next door. You can see it in the photo from Google Earth.

Previously we lived on the West Coast. I only got to associate with those folks for a short time while I was 11 years old and my dad was in Vietnam.

But one night in 1966 I got to sleep in that fancy and lavish Parish house with my cousins. Guys we had been living in a trailer park in the Arizona desert. This was some of the most impressive architecture I had ever been in.

After dinner I went out with my cousin Mikey and We snuck over the wrought iron gate and climbed the Bell Tower, past the pipe organ with its huge blowers, to the top.

There were 4 or 5 big bells but I was also impressed to see huge electric bull horn speakers pointing through the louvers.

The bells ran on an electric clockwork and while we were up there we heard it start to turn and realized the bells were going to go off for vespers. We scrambled down the stairs as quickly as possible to avoid what would have been a deafening experience!

It's quite freakish that I haven't thought about that day in over 50 years, and a great Cathedral had to burn down for me to remember it.