NOX ICH help
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The way I see it, the quicker you can get rid of disease, the better. Nox ich won't bother the fish either if used correctly.
Very nice chart--answers a lot of the questions in a straight forward manner. Just keep in mind a couple things:
1) the chart assumes a specific temperature. Given the quickness of the cycle on the chart, I'm guessing the chart is based around 77F, not sure, but it's somewhere in that vicinity. The cycle time is not fixed: it's heavily influenced by temperature. So if let's say 77F is the tank temp, this chart is spot on. However, for folks wioth cold water fish, or fish kept at 84F, this is not accurate.
2) at temperatures much lower than this...say down to 43F, the parasite can take 8 weeks. At temperatures above a certain level, let's say 87F, the parasite will be unable to complete all 3 stages.
As you said, there are a number of ways to get rid of the parasite, so the pet owner can pick what's best.
There seems to be some disagreement as to the number of stages of ich, even among microbiologists.
When studying ich, I found the tomite stage to be the most troublesome (some disagree it is a true stage), but because its ability to remain dormant months, years, decades, maybe centuries, who would/could spend the time to do the research.
And because there may be only a small number of ich individuals programed to do enter this stage, possibly 1 or 2 of each ich event, picking that tomite out of the hoard is like winning the lottery.
But the fact that ich can show up in previously dried up ponds (remote (carried by the wind?), as soon as water returns, or be frozen and return in spring, makes me wonder if we look at this evolutionary marvel (albeit a problematic one) in too simplistic of terms.
http://genomebiology.com/2011/12/10/R100/figure/F1
I have also been reading reports that certain ich strains are able to withstand temps of 92'F and salinity of over 5ppt.
When studying ich, I found the tomite stage to be the most troublesome (some disagree it is a true stage), but because its ability to remain dormant months, years, decades, maybe centuries, who would/could spend the time to do the research.
And because there may be only a small number of ich individuals programed to do enter this stage, possibly 1 or 2 of each ich event, picking that tomite out of the hoard is like winning the lottery.
But the fact that ich can show up in previously dried up ponds (remote (carried by the wind?), as soon as water returns, or be frozen and return in spring, makes me wonder if we look at this evolutionary marvel (albeit a problematic one) in too simplistic of terms.
http://genomebiology.com/2011/12/10/R100/figure/F1
I have also been reading reports that certain ich strains are able to withstand temps of 92'F and salinity of over 5ppt.
Good info Duane. This I believe is why we sometimes hear about a tank coming down with ich, that hasn't had any new fish/plants etc added in months. I don't believe that ich is as cut & dry as some believe.
Having said that, with my water pH (8.0-8.2), I find copper (I use Coppersafe) to be one of the safest & most effective ways to treat ich. I treat for 30 days, and have never had any repeats. IMHO, easier on the fish than high temps and increased salinity.
A lot of people are on that bandwagon, however, a few of my fish were obviously showing I'll effects of the temps, with tons of 02 and good water. So no, not all fish tolerate this, now my temps are normal and my fish are acting 10 times better. Could just be my specific fish, but its not true in every case that high heat doesn't hurt the fish. That's my opinion. I do respect yours. I just disagree.
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I agree about copper sulfate as a great treatment.
When I was a kid first keeping fish in the 1950s, and pennies were still made of copper, one of the common treatments was to throw some pennies in the tank, and if I can remember that far back, it actually worked. It won't now, because pennies are no longer copper.
When I was a kid first keeping fish in the 1950s, and pennies were still made of copper, one of the common treatments was to throw some pennies in the tank, and if I can remember that far back, it actually worked. It won't now, because pennies are no longer copper.
