OB Peacocks

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BTW...Dragon Bloods and Strawberries are not hybrids, just another line bred fish.:)

The dragons bloods strawberries and firefish are hybrids. The is copadichromis borleyi in them. These fish have been line bred and have had other fish mixed into them to get there colors that appear today. Yes Line breeding has a part to do with it. But it is a hybrid.
 
They were originally a Mix of a mbuna and a peacock (auloncara species). Not sure what individuals were used to make the OB (orange blossum) markings. As far as I know they are not occuring in the lake naturally unless some unethical jerk released them into the lakes (nothing would suprise me).

Most if not all of the OB peacocks look and act like a peacock now. Sometimes you will see a home grown one that has alot more mbuna in it and you can see that just looking at the fish and those are not generally found in LFS or shops. Those fish are the ones that typically are much more aggressive than normal purebred peacocks. The OB's I have had have all acted the same as my purebred peacocks, if anything they were less aggressive than my pure ones but that might just have been my individual fish.
 
emtbmike;2282575; said:
BTW...Dragon Bloods and Strawberries are not hybrids, just another line bred fish.:)

The dragons bloods strawberries and firefish are hybrids. The is copadichromis borleyi in them. These fish have been line bred and have had other fish mixed into them to get there colors that appear today. Yes Line breeding has a part to do with it. But it is a hybrid.

Im not a scientist or anything but i always was taught that line breeding was the practice of taking a purebred fish that has a quality or gene that you want and breeding that fish to other purebred specimens that also have that gene or quality to produce offspring that are genetically prone to produce that particular feature. Then repeating the procedure over and over till you achieve the end product that you are going for.

For example the blue jack dempesy . These are not hybrid fish, they are produced by aquiring pure specimens that have a naturally occuring recessive gene. The blue dempsey are produced by breeding two jacks that both have a recessive gene for the blue coloration , then taking those offspring and breeding it back to others with the recessive gene . this process is repeated for many generations (20 or even a 100) until you end up with basically a very inbred fish with predispostion to throw fry with the blue coloration.

People like to say, oh that blue dempsey is not natural in the wild and that is not true, its just that its very rare since most fry that are blue will not live to reach reproducing age because they are easily picked off because they cannot blend in with the surroundings.

Remember while inbreeding is undesireable it is not hybridization. If you marry your sister your offspring are still human LOL.
 
ikevi;2282282; said:
So I will chime in.

1.) You aren't going to sell OBs at aquabid very well... The people that go there are more into "pure fish" (Well except for Discus, flowerhorns and ...)



OH and people can we please keep pictures to a sane size... ie 800 width max. Thanks. (I hate scrolling with even a wide screen)


I agree with everything you said except the part about lumping discus in with flowerhorns. Flowerhorns are a pure hybrid fish in every sense of the word, dicus however are a actual species found in the wild in several color forms. Symphysodon Aequifasciatus and also Symphysodon Discus. I admit much line breeding has been done on many of the variants available today but they are a real natural occuring fish and should not be compared to the Flowerhorn. I personally kept the wild form brown discus and they are a wonderful graceful and peaceful fish .
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I admit that they are widely linebred to achieve the fantastic colors found today in the hobby but they do not mix other species into these discus to achieve these colors.
 
Pharaoh;2282222; said:
BTW...Dragon Bloods and Strawberries are not hybrids, just another line bred fish.:)

That is totaly false . they are hybrids They are a off break of the OB peacock. I have seen them in the OB peacocks shipments from Singapore for about 15 years now. I been keeping and breeding africans since 1979. I keep mostly WC Malawi all these years. I remember the first OB peacocks were a cross inbetween a OB zebra and a blue peacock. John Willams Of Ramsy, NJ bought the whole clutch. That was around 1980 to 1983. He loved the fish even tghough they were a hybrid and we all felt the same and were on a list for fry.
 
Peacocks seem to be one of the few fish that Cichlidiots allow some genetic experimentation. {as long as it's well documented] As far as I know[correct me if I'm wrong] The OB came about from a cross of OB Zebra and Peacock. If that's the case then you can do wonders within the OB strain--by selectively breeding--bring out the blues-take other stock and bring out the yellows.In just 2-3 generations you could have fish people would be clamouring for on AB
 
linebreeding in working with a certain fish... It can be a purebreed fish only, or start with a hybrid and do the same thing. Flowerhorns started with hybrids then worked its way into linebreeding those mixes.
 
If you start with a hybrid or add anything into the fish that is different, even a different local. Then it is a hybrid nor a pure bred
 
I do not think anyone is questioning if a hybrid is a hybrid. I was merly explaining that you can take a hybrid mix and line breed that line of fish to bring out the qualities you want, similar to what people have done with the ruby reds and linebreeding. I was not stating the by linebreeding a hybrid it becomes a nonhybrid. I was merely remarking that fish like the dragon's blood in being worked with in a similar manor to the Flowerhorns. A linebreed hybrid.
 
mike dunagan;2283160; said:
linebreeding in working with a certain fish... It can be a purebreed fish only, or start with a hybrid and do the same thing. Flowerhorns started with hybrids then worked its way into linebreeding those mixes.


that is very confusing for a novice to understand.
To put it simply You can line breed anything you want. Whether you are line breeding Hybrid or Pure fish. Does not make a difference if you are breeding to improve a mutation or color, pattren or to improve body shape or fin shape. Line Breeding is where you breeding for a desired trait or a specific look or for a cirten locality or Ssp. To keep a fish pure with out contaminating the gene pool .
 
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