Official 2011-2012 NFL Thread
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Since when was Luck the only QB prospect with any potential? IMO there will be at least 4-5 QB's out of the coming class that have potential to be stars in the league. I would very much prefer to trade that #1 pick for the multitude of additional picks we'd get in exchange for the opportunity to draft Luck. In fact I would actually go into the draft with the game plan to try to trade down at least twice and acquire a number of extra picks in rounds 2-4 plus additional picks the following year, with the potential to possibly wind up with 2-3 first round picks in 2013.
^ he feels pretty strongly about not drafting luck (which i feel is silly) so no sense in saying anything logical against it.
oh shizzle, i just turned on the tv, al davis passed away! now the raiders will become legit in the next couple of years. RIP mr davis
yes bderick, i've seen interviews where parcel explains why HE did not take matty ice or joe cool. he takes full responsibility for the decision. So you're right that the current regime was in but i'm convinced parcells had a strong voice in it because of his strong track record with building teams
oh shizzle, i just turned on the tv, al davis passed away! now the raiders will become legit in the next couple of years. RIP mr davis
yes bderick, i've seen interviews where parcel explains why HE did not take matty ice or joe cool. he takes full responsibility for the decision. So you're right that the current regime was in but i'm convinced parcells had a strong voice in it because of his strong track record with building teams
Yeah it's a good thing the Colts didn't have the trade down philosophy in 1998. Though surprising with their previous track record with #1 picks prior to that point. The Colts couldve traded down for more pics and later drafted, Ryan Leaf, Jonathin Quinn or Brian Griese or some other guy with potiental. Hard to pin the "sure thing" tag on anyone, but Luck is the closest thing since P. manning or John Elway, as 99% of the NFL world believes.
R.I.P. Al Davis
Bummer, right when the Raiders are looking like something might happen for them.
Bummer, right when the Raiders are looking like something might happen for them.
Miami has the best left takle or even O lineman in the game so hard to say that was a bad pick. Yes possible Ryan couldve developed into a very good QB in Miami. Being the #3 pick was considered a #1 and couldve been taken by the fins. Not the same for Flacco, no way to pick him at #1 as he was projected as a late first round to late second round. From what I've read the Fins just went with the safest pick.
In 1998, the Colts didn't have a team who had won....anything so that comparison is hardly valid. Also is the fact that the 98 draft was incredibly short on QB talent save for Manning. Unlike this year where there will be at least 4-5 very talented prospects with big potential. I have yet to see but would welcome any link to one of the NFL experts or execs who say that Luck is physically that much more talented or he is that much more intelligent to warrant taking him over one of the other top prospects. I haven't seen one that has said this. If any of you know of one please share because this is what I've been looking for. So far, everything I've read points to the fact that he's the most NFL ready prospect since Elway or Manning, NOT that he has the most overall talent. Assuming Peyton is able to finish out his contract (something that will be much more clear by draft time) why would we then need to spend a #1 draft pick on a QB who's biggest selling point over the competition is that he's NFL ready now? We trade back, acquire god only knows how many additional picks and still get a very talented QB prospect with big potential and "groom" him behind Manning. You don't spend a #1 draft pick on a QB who isn't going to play for 3-4 years. Why do I say this? Not only because it makes sense but also because it has not happened one time in the past 20 years. You want or need a QB to start from day one? Spend a top 5 pick then. If you want a QB to groom for a couple of years then you go to the later first round (Aaron Rodgers), second round or later (Drew Brees, Tom Brady etc) or you look at another team who has a QB with potential (Steve Young, Brett Favre).
The comparison is completely valid. In order for this years colts to have a shot at Luck they would have to have a record similar that of the 1997 Colts. You site a few examples of successfully developed QBs, only if it were so easy. just look at todays current starting QBs and you see a dozen or so failed attempts at developing QBs as you put it. If it is so easy to develop a QB then why even draft another , just develop painter into an all star franchise QB. Maybe arguing this is mute, if Manning can come back, most all of us hope he does. Truth is there is a good chance he won't, cause remember he was supposed to be ready to play at the start of the season.
Let me ask you this, what if you know Manning can't play again and you end up with the #1 pick?
Let me ask you this, what if you know Manning can't play again and you end up with the #1 pick?
True, but there are just as many examples of QB's who were developed....Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers (he was groomed but also had the highest pick spent for him of any in this group) and to a lesser degree guys who either didn't quite make that next level like Matt Cassell and Jason Campbell the guys who are still unproven in Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kevin Kolb.
Very true and I've said numerous times (not sure if in this thread but in many, MANY posts about this very topic on the colts.com forum...yes there are a couple lol) that if Manning can't return then that changes things.
Honestly, if I know Manning can't return then clearly the case for taking Luck becomes much stronger. However I would personally still trade the pick but only down to the 3-5 range all depending on the draft order. Basically I trade down to a point where I can still draft either Barkley or Landry Jones. I still get one of the top 3 QB prospects and, if the Falcons for Julio Jones trade is any indication, then at minimum I also get an additional 2nd and 4th round pick this year both of which would be in the top 5 as well as at least an additional first round pick next year.
If we have #1 and Manning does come back, even for 1-2 years, I trade down twice...once like above to a team in the top 5 who wants to move up those extra spots to get to #1 for Luck, and then I trade that top 5 pick to someone in the 10-15 range who wants to move up for someone like Alshon Jeffrey, Quinton Coples, Matt Kalil etc. This way, I wind up with a first round pick in the 10-15 range where I look for either Manti Te'o LB or Morris Claiborn CB (if we can somehow talk Cleveland out of their 2 first round picks then we could go both of these guys or one of them and Michael Floyd WR), 3 picks in the early second round where I look for Nick Foles QB and then some combo of Nick Toon WR, Peter Konz C/G or, if Te'o was 1st pick, then best CB available between Cliff Harris, Stephon Gilmore, Xavier Rhodes or Janoris Jenkins. I look for the best OG available (Kevin Zeitler perhaps) in the top of the 3rd and if somehow I wind up with an extra 3rd round pick then I look for Coby Fleener TE. With multiple 4th round picks I can look at Jaye Howard DT, Harrison Smith SS, NIgel Bradham OLB etc.
He's hurt, done for the season. So ya kinda have to replace him.
The only idiotic statement by anyone in this whole thread, referring to Henne as being great is by you.He was a developing QB, had numbers right along the lines with Sanchez, nobodys claiming he is "so good".
".[On the heels of Chad Henne throwing 3 TDs to the "Beast" during a scrimmage today, I am now confident in predicting the Miami Dolphins as the next Superbowl Champions"Brian---you speak of idiots,cuz you're one,which was obvious from the beginning.You try to correct peoples grammer on top of it,making you just extremely lame.I would say get a life,but you have no chance there.At least you can get another team,instead of taking your frustrations out on others.Go eat some crunch ,fool !
