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lp85253 said:
how are you gonna fix that by screwing the ones that do make tips.. and do you realize that in a previous post you are USING THE PRICE OF THE FOOD you chose to eat...as an excuse to not pay the person WHO IS SERVING IT TO YOU( with no control of the price...blaming the poor or working class is a tried and true ploy by the rich to engender the support of the mis-informed,,,but it was a nice try .. and I AM NOT WRONG (or admitting anything)when it comes to having to serve cheap jerks ,anybody that has to raise a family on minimum wage (not you obviously,)knows you can't boycott anything and still pay next months rent ... not making judgments here but you SOUND a little like a guy who had to have a not so good job as a kid to make sure his trust fund money didn't go away,,,and is taking it out on the unfortunates who had to work with him...like I SAID ..NOT MAKING JUDGMENTS ,,,BUT THAT'S how it sounds to me ,,not trying to offend,, just reacting to what you said
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don't worry about offending me. I don't take the internets too seriously, lol
but you were wrong on several occasions. everyone makes at least min wage. we got that straight. no one is forced to do these "horrible" jobs and no one is working for free. but maybe you were exaggerating to make your point. I didn't use the cost of the food to justify my stance. was just pointing it out. the person serving me is doing what they are supposed to be doing, serve me my food, which you are paid min wage for and which usually ends up being more after tips. explain to me why I am the one that should do the boycotting? that's ridiculous. if I didn't like my job, can you boycott for me? no! if I don't like my job, I find a better paying job to pay my bills

and you couldn't be more wrong about my backstory. after the Vietnam war, my parents came over as refugees. they raised livestock and farmed for a living over there. they spoke no English and there were 8 of us kids. we had foodstamp and welfare for a while. so the term "dirt poor",............ well, I can tell you that I know from personal experience what that means. wearing the same shoes and clothing for years at a time while everyone else got new clothes every year. drinking sugar water because we couldn't afford soda and punch and things like that, i can go on and on. but you proved me right about people being judgmental just because someone disagree with the concept of tipping. and don't get it wrong, I tip. I just don't tip what you consider what is the norm. if you are in a crappy living situation because you are a food server or something along those lines, don't be mad at the customer. you can do something about it like I did and many many people do

dragonfish said:
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Now that we have the definitive word on the law, I personaly think it's lame not to tip the people serving you. The guy helping you in the department store is not putting up with your complaints, whining, screaming kids for an hour or more as a rule. They do not have to watch for spilled food or drink on the floor or clean up after some really nasty people. They don't have children sticking food into their pockets or be verbally abused because someone else didn't make the plate to their exacting standards.

I always tip the server but not an exact amoumt, it depends on the quality of the service. I tip the person who delivered pizza(back when we still ordered), I've tipped other delivery people as well. I do not tip for carryout.

You don't tip the guy(or girl) who prepared your food because generally they make better money unless they work fast food or low end place. You can get anyone to carry a plate(no offense to those who do) without too many issues but your business depends on your cook or chef. You don't just grab anyone off the street and you pay accordingly.

Now I'm going to pull an Eddie and complain about too much time devoted to a topic that already has it's own thread.
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cry me a river. the poor servers have to put up with cleaning and serving. so what? you guys are using lame excuses to justify why they should be tipped so graciously. a lot of reaching imo. that still doesn't justify why they need to be given so much extra money. and yet again, there are hundreds of min wage jobs where people do work that is much harder and dirtier than a waiter. my problem is that only you servers should be tipped.

seriously people, you can be a server and have zero education. you can be some gangster that changed his life around and become a good waiter. you can't justify to me why they deserve the extra money for doing their job that they are already making min wage, at least and it's usually more. it's not like you gotta have some talented skillset to become a server. my 7 year old can probably be a good waitress. I don't get why you think they deserve more money than min wage

dragonfish said:
I'm sure Sumo will disagree with you as I disagree with your assessment of him.
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thank you

ballinouttacntrol said:
Actually dragonfish I was trying to make this thread pop again cuz it was getting boring. So have at it

PS, you guys exaggerate. Its only weather that drives me nuts
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It's hot. :( I don't like it. And I wanna wear my new fancy-schmancy Augsburg hoodie.

Back on topic....

I'm with Sumo. All the way. (Except I will tip good) :)

Personally, I like my job. I work for a good and honest guy, even if I do have to pay for all my food. We don't claim our tips and are paid min wage. It's a service job. What do you expect? It's like going to wal mart and asking for $10/hr. Let's be realistic.

That said, as soon as I'm done with school (or sooner) I'm out. I can't get married and live on the wage from Pizza Planet. And I hate working nights. I'd rather work days and that doesn't work out very well with the rest of my schedule.

The point here is that for most (in my neck of the woods anyway) jobs like these are temporary. They are for the high schoolers to get work experience under their belt and provide people like me with gas money to get through college. Nothing more. Don't try to make it what it isn't.

I'd like to even go so far as to suggest that these jobs serve an important social function just the way they are. Like I stated, service jobs, whatever form they take, provide our children with the invaluable work experience they need to be productive members of society. If we, say, up the pay then the manager becomes more selective about whom he hires and then to where are our high schoolers to turn for work experience? Just a thought. :)


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Oh man, so many laughs

Just for the record, I tip, 10%. 50% for drinks at the bar. Zero on carry outs.

Wanna know why I even brought up this topic? Drew brees , NFL QB is catching heat for tipping 3 dollars on a 80$ tab......for carry out! I know he's made 100 million plus but unless he's feeling charitable I don't see why he should've tipped at all. They didn't cater it!
 
I agree with Sumo 1000% on this topic. I will tip well when I get service that deserves it, but if you want to act like my patronage is interfering with your night and you cop an attitude with me then you're going to get a whole lot of nothing. TIPS = to insure prompt service so no service = no tips.
 
sumo lecturing, sounds like he's 80 yrs old already. haha
 
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ballinouttacntrol said:
Kelly, you can't get out. You're forced to serve mean angry people. You're stuck for life
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Lol. I usually get the laughs from the crabby old men everyone else complains about. It's all in your own attitude. I had a regular come in one day and order a hoagie with Mountain Dew and a smile. I must have been scowling or something as I punched in the order but it made my day. :) People like that, I'd happily serve all day long.


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