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Hello; This is a dog story. No mauling nor dead dogs. Struck a chord because a similar thing happened to me. I already told the story so will skip to the crucial point. After several times of a neighbor's dog coming onto my property and aggressively trying to get behind me to bite my heel or back of leg, I began to take steps. I would grab whatever was handy to swing at the dog. One day it chased some kids into my yard, so I distracted it and was swinging a fireplace poker at the dog.
This time the man came to get the dog rather than the wife. He was incensed I was trying to hit the dog. Did not matter that the dog was going after children nor that it was become a regular thing. Just that I better not hurt his dog or he will kick my ass. So, I swung at the dog again because the dog would not mind nor go to him. Out of control.
That i was on my cell with the police worked out well. My 911 call was recorded. The guy eventually got the dog by the collar and left but also got a visit from the police after they checked on the kids.
The family with the kids is moved off now so that issue is gone.
 
I'm not a huge fan of law enforcement but I think "Aggressive dog (not mine) attacking children (also not mine) on MY property is a solid reason to involve them. That's something you need on record.

The legal and insurance clusterfrak that could land on your head is insane. Neighbor's dog mauls other neighbor's kid on your front lawn is... less than ideal.

Honestly I would have tried a secondary route and befriended and trained the dog til it loved me more than the owner who taught it to be a monster.
 
Hello; In a possibly related report a child day care center, Nokomis Day Care Center, was broken into and damaged. Happened in Minnesota. An interesting form of vandalism I guess in that documents regarding children and such were stolen. I cannot personally ever recall of hearing about someone stealing day care documents.

What could be the reason for such a theft?

Not clear in the report I read but maybe the security cameras were not working. That would hamper an investigation I suppose.

I may have missed it but do not recall reading anything about where the children will go after the break in. But the good news may be there are lots and lots of daycare places in the area, some apparently without any children in them at all. I may be concerned over nothing.
Hello; A tip of the iceberg series of stories emerges. Seems it is possible multitudes of frauds have been in play in many places for a long time. From my remote position I cannot know the extent of such fraud.
I do know personally of individuals doing individual level things. One example was a former neighbor who was on a disability check along with his children getting their own check. A knee issue was supposed to keep him from being able to work. But he went to work most every day. Sometimes cutting, splitting and selling firewood. Sometimes doing farm worker jobs which is hard physical labor, as long as he was paid in cash. Small time stuff compared to what is now being reported.

Cannot be sure myself but have seen some speculations that social programs fraud has been a way of life for a long time. That large amounts of taxpayer monies are become over time taken in various frauds. Pick a feel good cause such as feeding children or the like and the programs are subject to such fraud. I speculate here because I suppose the day care fraud is still alleged. Should it turn out to be proven then here is my question. Can it be the folks doing the daycare stuff are just too incompetent?

The example which looms is the very odd break in of a day care center recently reported. Again, i do not know for sure myself, but one report stated the openings cut into the wall was done from the inside, not from the outside. Add to this that only documents dealing with children registries and staff appear to have been taken. So far i have not seen reports that valuable stuff was stolen, just documents.

My point being should the alleged day care facility robbery turn out to have been faked to destroy evidence, such was indeed very clumsy and amateurish.
 

Hello; Maybe another click bait story but rings true. I had a husky. My first wifes younger brother bought a pup but did not have a place to keep it. Dropped it off on us. When the pup was almost a year old, we had to move. Found a place with a fenced in back yard. Started out poorly, but at least the dog did not get out of the fence.
One of the new neighbors had chickens which were allowed to run loose. When the first one got inside the fence and the husky killed it quickly. Started to eat it. I did not know exactly what to do. I fussed at the dog and took the chicken away. When another got killed, I doused it with hot sauce and tied the chicken around the dogs neck hoping to make it a bad experience. Did not work. The husky slowly maneuvered the chicken off and then slowly licked the hot sauce from an area. Then started pulling feathers away and tried to eat it.
Became pretty clear the husky would not be a good farm dog. Do not recall what the neighbor did. May have started keeping the chickens pinned up or maybe just ran out of them. I explained to the landlord what happened and that any chickens who wandered into the fenced yard were goners if the dog was out. I guess the folks with the chickens understood or at least let it go. Anyway, after a while no more chickens were found in the yard.

But possums and other small animals which got into the yard did not survive long either. I was lucky that the dog liked and got along well with people, so I never had him go after people. Kept the dog over eight years until he was killed on the nearby highway. Hit by a car or truck.
For most of the years with the husky he did not try to get out of the fence. Then one weekend a friend stopped by for visit with his dog. The dogs got along well which was not always the case. So, I relaxed. Then the friends dog jumps over the fence. My husky caught on right away and the fence no longer worked. I wound up running a cable form the corner of the house a distance to a tree. Put a pulley on the cable and a long lead on that. Allowed the dog to have a good area to move around in. But he was too clever, got loose and was hit on the road.

Point of the story for me is as much as I liked the husky, I know better than to have another one with close busy roads and neighbors. Also needs a very secure place such as with a good tall fence which i could not provide at the time. Also, SE Kentucky is too hot in the summer for the husky.

So even if the linked story is made up the details fit. Hard to have much sympathy for someone over cats allowed to rome outside. They will be deadly to nesting birds and small animals themselves. Would be fine if they stuck to rats & mice. For years I would knock down the Robin nests in the rafters of my car port as they built them in the spring. The pair of robins would sit on the fence and star at me. First summer I lived in my place i left the nest alone. later on, i found lots of feathers in the yard and cat paw prints on the windshield of my pickup. A neighbor's cat used my truck to get to the rafters and ate all the chicks. All good now since i removed the soffit covers and blocked off the gap. Now the robins can nest in a sheltered place, and the cats cannot get at them.
 
The existence of fraud in a system is not a reason to shut down the system. It is a reason to investigate and hold accountable those responsible. There are bad actors in every system. But there are also thousands of families that cannot afford childcare while the parents work, or to put food on the table. Perhaps they are not all without fault, but that doesn't change the fact that the kids have no dinner or no one to watch them while their mom goes to work at the grocery store etc. There's fraud in the tax system, should we shut that down? I agree the fraudsters should be held accountable, cut off, and punished but such is not always the case. There's a man from New York who was convicted of 34 counts of fraud, and someone decided to elect him president...
 
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The existence of fraud in a system is not a reason to shut down the system. It is a reason to investigate and hold accountable those responsible. There are bad actors in every system. But there are also thousands of families that cannot afford childcare while the parents work, or to put food on the table. Perhaps they are not all without fault, but that doesn't change the fact that the kids have no dinner or no one to watch them while their mom goes to work at the grocery store etc. There's fraud in the tax system, should we shut that down? I agree the fraudsters should be held accountable, cut off, and punished but such is not always the case. There's a man from New York who was convicted of 34 counts of fraud, and someone decided to elect him president...
Hello; I will leave the blatant politics & TDS alone and will respond to the business-as-usual portion of the post.

I worked in the public schools of three states in a 33-year career. Sometime after i graduated from high school in 1965 a thing called social promotion came to my attention. Several rationalizations where commonly used to justify promoting students who had not achieved expected learning skills. Perhaps the more common was there would be a social stigma for an individual after being held back grades. There were others to be sure.

The result is and has been for a very long-time students "graduating" from high school while being functionally illiterate. Lacking basic math and reading skills among others. In my first year or few I kept expecting some responsible authority to come in and put a stop to what was clearly wrong with the system. Such did not happen.

What did happen every seven to ten years was a new study (investigation) followed by a new way of approaching standards of education. Some key points include that when a new program was started it was to be considered "ground zero". Then in a few years the new system would be evaluated to compare results to the ground-zero start year. Then many hands would be wrung and demands something be done because the new system had not worked. The cycle repeated. Happened I think three times in my years. Of course, the new programs managed to miss the real problems including such as social promotion every time. The bosses in the school systems never seemed to be held responsible for abject failures of the systems they fostered.

As was predicted some days ago by a talking head on TV and some decades ago by a fellow i know. Frame a program around some "feel-good" thing and it will be much easier to rip off that program. Such include feeding children, now day care, and such. A few years ago, when this site was less biased and prone to censorship, we had a lively discussion about one of the very well-known animal saving organizations. What a member revealed was most of the funds raised did not go to saving animals. Went to ads and a lavish lifestyle for the organization. That discussion ought to be in the archives of this site.

As it turns out the fraud in the state with the greatest focus currently was reported by whistle blowers and legislators perhaps as much as ten years ago. Such is why I labeled your comment about investigation as part of a business as is usual failed approach.
I do suspect the basic act of cutting off funds from these fraud ridden programs will move things along quickly. If as you contend there are honest day care centers, those will be allowed to continue. Same for other feel-good programs. The idea is not to stop legit childcare nor legit feed the children programs but to stop the fraud.

I revert to my opening comment about social promotion in schools. Surely promoting a child who cannot function at grade level prevents that child from stigma or embarrassment at the time, but what about the harm to the individual as an adult? Often enough it is not that the child is too dumb to learn but that the school system allows them to choose to not try, then pushes them along. They wind up as adults without important skills. I know which winds up being worse.

An important thing often omitted from these discussions is the national debt the USA now faces. We now face around a trillion of added debt every 100 days or so. Not a penny of principal is paid on the debt, but we now pay more on the interest each year than on the Department of War. Something like a trillion and more. A kill the golden goose situation.

Ther is more but enough for now.
 
Look, I don't consider myself a Democrat either, they have plenty of their own problems, and now that I've actually said the D word I probably have violated the TOS. But my previous post was all factual and can be verified on any news site. I find it interesting that you have several posts and links that sound like a Fox news commentary clearly pointing out where you stand, though maybe you don't use the R word so it's not a violation of TOS. But you use phrasing like feel good programs and harp on social programs and lament that you can no longer slap kids around on your school bus, using the newly renamed department of war , and spread fear about the National Debt, a tactic used by media for decades though I guarantee you will never see an effect of it in your lifetime, yet I post in response to your post about fraud that there is a man convicted of fraud in the white house, and it's blow the TOS whistle. Well perhaps I should be on probation or even silenced, and then I will simply read the fish posts as a guest and not respond. Perhaps that's all I should be doing anyway and ignore this thread. I don't dislike you, simply disagree with you, and after reading so much propaganda on one side, can't resist speaking up.
 
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I hear this same talk from nearly all the people I know.

But what if mass fraud was always the purpose of the system, and feeding babies was just a lame excuse?

One that always works, now that women will out vote men.

Remember the immortal bard of Avon: All the world’s a stage…

The best acts get the big black budgets kids.
 
Look, I don't consider myself a Democrat either, they have plenty of their own problems, and now that I've actually said the D word I probably have violated the TOS. But my previous post was all factual and can be verified on any news site. I find it interesting that you have several posts and links that sound like a Fox news commentary clearly pointing out where you stand, though maybe you don't use the R word so it's not a violation of TOS. But you use phrasing like feel good programs and harp on social programs and lament that you can no longer slap kids around on your school bus, using the newly renamed department of war , and spread fear about the National Debt, a tactic used by media for decades though I guarantee you will never see an effect of it in your lifetime, yet I post in response to your post about fraud that there is a man convicted of fraud in the white house, and it's blow the TOS whistle. Well perhaps I should be on probation or even silenced, and then I will simply read the fish posts as a guest and not respond. Perhaps that's all I should be doing anyway and ignore this thread. I don't dislike you, simply disagree with you, and after reading so much propaganda on one side, can't resist speaking up.
Hello; yes, you have crossed the line with regard to TOS of the site. I will not report you for such as i prefer a free exchange of ideas.

I do take offence at your characterization of me. Specifically, the comment about slapping kids around. I did not "slap" kids around. I used the corporal punishment which was allowed at the time. Never enjoyed such nor took it to an extreme. Removing corporal punishment would have been fine had some working method of discipline been left to me. You focus on one thing but ignore the consequence of no effective punishment at all. One such is the rise of bullying. Another is the safety risk of out-of-control behavior on a school bus loaded with children. Same in the classrooms.

Try to picture your child on a crowded bus with you as lone bus driver and no other adult. Also picture an unruly boy who you had written up over 25 times climbing over the seat backs and on top of the other children as you drive down a narrow two-lane highway with busy traffic. Some children as young as the first grade. Yet you cannot punish the behavior in any way. Cannot put the student off the bus either. Then picture you as the bus driver being charged with the safety of all the kids. But others such as you got the paddle taken way. Then writing bus rules taken away. Then no way to stop bad behavior.

Department of War is the current and proper name by the way.

About the national debt. Ther are real consequences already felt. In fact the credit rating of the USA has been downgraded by two agencies at least twice now. Such is a real consequence in real time. Then there is the real consequence of inflation associated with printing money. Without getting into a long comment on how it works, an arm/agent of the government has for years been buying as much as half the treasury bonds offered for sale. That in effect is printing money from thin air.
But i do get your point about the idea the big consequence of the national debt not being felt in a lifetime. For decades such has been one of the mantras. A thing is there will be a real time when the debt cannot be sustained. I am 78 years old so may not see the big disaster, but I do not think it is far away if business as is usual continues.

I do watch Fox news. I watch CNN, PBS news, Newsmax, CBS, and others. Most mornings if awake in time I watch C-Spans Washington Journal. But I do get that you hope to paint me into one small corner. I try to not be spoon fed. I strive to come to rational conclusions based on what makes sense.
 
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