Omega One vs NLS

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The JBL MINIMUM Vitamin content pr.1000g/kg is a guaranteed analysis.

Here is another common danish product with another guaranteed MINIMUM analysis:

Tropical Cichlid & Arowana:

Vitamin A: 30.000 I.E
Vitamin D: 1.900 I.E
Vitamin E: 100mg/kg
Vitamin C: 260mg

I understand that the NLS is not a guaranteed analysis, but it really still does seem like a rather low amount of Vitamins.

It's not that i'm suggesting or stating that one should focus on the Vitamin content in a feed solely, but from my understanding it is a very important factor for fish health, in a less than ideal setting (Such as any aquarium)

Ps. Both feeds here are naturally permitted by EU regulations, and under EU inspections.
 
Another great food thread. I use nls only when it comes to pellets or flakes. I am in the process of trying to get my rays on nls right now. My gar will eat a pellet if it soaks for a bit. These threads have provided me with much information before. RD is a wealth of knowledge on the pet food industry. Dont even ask him about dog food! haha
 
seel1990;4924880; said:
i thought tropical was a polish product?

Yes, correct. Tropical is a polish based company and JBL is German.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, just meant that it was another common feed in the Danish market, and not that the companies were based in Denmark.
 
Terrestrial plant matter, such as soybean meal, corn gluten meal, corn flakes, wheat middlings, etc. These types of ingredients aren't generally used in fish feed because of their fantastic amino acid profile or due to how grealty they can add to the bioavailability of the feed, they are added to save costs over more expensive raw ingredients. If I wanted to feed that grade of food I would buy generic farm feed.

I understand that a certain level of carbs/starch derived from cereal grains can have their place in a quality feed (especially as binding agents), but I have my own personal limits as to how much, and the source.

I understand that the NLS is not a guaranteed analysis, but it really still does seem like a rather low amount of Vitamins.


Mr. Hagel - I fully understand the importance of vitamin & trace mineral levels, especially when a fish is under stress. I'm not sure what more you expect me to say on that matter? The vitamin & trace mineral levels in NLS greatly exceed any other food that I am aware of that is currently on the market. I could tell you by how much, but then I would have to kill you. :)
 
RD.;4924941; said:
Mr. Hagel - I fully understand the importance of vitamin & trace mineral levels, especially when a fish is under stress. I'm not sure what more you expect me to say on that matter? The vitamin & trace mineral levels in NLS greatly exceed any other food that I am aware of that is currently on the market. I could tell you by how much, but then I would have to kill you. :)

Can't you understand that i'm trying to taunt you into leaching info :D

Reguardless though, i think it is extremely poor marketing on NLS' side to put out (though old) typical vitamin content analysis', when clearly they are very low - When you say that it is in fact not the case.
If it's just a typical or approximate min. content analysis, why on earth would they write such low numbers, when you say the numbers are much higher?
 
Can't you understand that i'm trying to taunt you into leaching info :D

LOL, you must think this is my first rodeo, I saw you coming from a mile away my friend. :D

As far as the second portion of your comment, asked & answered.

You have to keep in mind that the pet food business is a multi-billion dollar industry, with numerous wannabe players emerging with each passing year. No company in their right mind is going to lay everything out on a silver platter for the competition, including a detailed analysis of their vitamin content. Those that do probably don't have anything worth keeping a trade secret. ;)

You also have to realize that New Life ships world-wide, and some of the regulatory bodies involved with regards to what's allowed on a label, and what isn't, is borderline insane. One of the state regulatory bodies in the USA actually wouldn't even allow the term 'Vitamin C", on a label, it had to be listed as ascorbic acid. And this is in the USA.

This was shortly after I had convinced Pablo to list a min vitamin C on his new upcoming labels. That killed the deal for him as he felt that many consumers wouldn't even know what ascorbic acid was. I had to agree.

Then you have countries such as Turkey, which do not allow GMO products into their country, even in pet food, and even if it is in a minute trace amount such as .0001% If it tests positive for GMO, it's refused entry, period. I thought that was interesting, and would have never seen it coming from a country such as Turkey. Go figure ....

The reality is that when it comes to labels, usually less = more. The more info you supply, the more some overly anal govt. agency is going to put you under the microscope. The more countries that you deal with, the more complicated it becomes. Every time something changes, labels also need to be changed, and all of this costs heaps of $$$.


You have no idea the kind of questions myself & New Life has to deal with sometimes. Even you were previously asking about a couple of the vitamins listed on the label. Ask me how many times I have had to answer this type of question?
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397225

Copper is an essential trace element to all aquatic life forms, yet because of the negative press it has received over the years by both marine keepers, and invertebrate keepers, to this day many people still don't understand that a trace amount of copper is not only NOT harmful, it's essential. If someone still wants to debate the subject, then I usually just post this:
http://www.copper.org/publications/newsletters/innovations/1998/12/water_health.html



Most consumers don't have the slightest clue what role each of these vitamins & trace minerals play in the development & overall health of a fish, nor do they care to know. Not everyone is a geek like me. :)

As far as marketing, the vast majority of people stop reading past the first few ingredients, and perhaps the protein %. Many don't even look beyond the sticker price. Having said that, I will make note of your concern & pass it on. Thanks.
 
I have used (and continue to use ) both. I use NLS for my Tangs and Angels and sometimes for he Midas. But I use Omega One for the Mbuna b/c NLS does not make a good Herbivore mix IMO. I would be guaranteed Malawi Bloat with the NLS. Both great products, I like them over anything else mainly b/c made in USA!!
 
I would be guaranteed Malawi Bloat with the NLS.

Say what? :grinno:

Joe - FYI the creator of NLS has raised more African cichlids (including those classified as strict herbivores) than you will see in a lifetime. :)

For the past 40 or so odd years, the owner of New Life has maintained ...... 120 ponds (approximately 30,000 gal. each), 1500 concrete vats (250gal.-500gal. each) and 1,000 40 gal. fry tanks on 2 five acre farms. I seriously doubt that you'll find any other fish food manufacturer that has the 'hands on' experience with raising & breeding herbivorous cichlids as Pablo Tepoot. He also has a room full of trophies to show for his accomplishments over the years.

I have personally raised some of the most herbivorous cichlids found in the Rift Lakes, including both Tropheus, and Tropheops macrophthalmus (yellow/yellow) all fed NLS exclusively and never once encountered bloat in any of my tanks.

Please read post #6, #14, and #16 in the following discussion for the ins & outs of what causes "bloat" in cichlids.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391539


Bloat can break out in any tank, but if it does NLS won't be the cause. :)


HTH
 
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