Omega One vs NLS

[DMD123]

What got me thinking in terms of the whole ratio thing was the fact that I take fish oils to help keep my cholesterol down. I know this product works for me because my blood test prove it; when i dont take it its higher, when I do its lower. These fish oils are a concentrated product and require many fish to produce. Not just fish but primarily the livers. So for Omega One to get the ratio of these Omega vitamins/oils that it wants in its food could it be they need a higher concentration of certain parts of the fish to achieve that? Yep that would do it.

Oh yeah Ford vs Chevy... Wait what about Dodge?

 

[RD.]

Just seemed like a little confusion in the message to me.

Funny, it seemed crystal clear to me. For years Denny touted his "fresh fish from Alaska" spiel, when in fact it was more like fresh processing plant leftovers from Alaska. In order to fully understand where I am coming from you would have had to have read the info on his old website, which he removed a few yrs back.

The halibut and cod frames that come from the processors are extremely rich in fresh fats. We take the same care of these items that the processors due for halibut and salmon fillets destined for the finest restaurants.

In terms of people food most of the sandwich meat you eat as well as probably all of the hot dog and sausage in the supermarkets use chicken and turkey heads and frames and other meat scraps as the main ingredients.

There is no question that Omega uses processing plant waste, none whatsoever, yet it is, and always has been marketed to the masses as "whole" fish. That has nothing to do with trade secrets.

Wouldn't the ash content like was said previously show how much of the 'other parts' were used?

Not necessarily, that would also be dependant on how much wheat flour, wheat gluten, etc is used in each formula. For all I know his food could be comprised of 40% starch content.

So for Omega One to get the ratio of these Omega vitamins/oils that it wants in its food could it be they need a higher concentration of certain parts of the fish to achieve that? Yep that would do it.

Say what? A higher concentration of scales & bones to increase Omega 3 levels? Seriously bro .......

Processing plant leftovers are used for one reason, and one reason only - to increase profitability. Period, end of story.





Dan .........

It is a little strange how you first state in one post that the values posted by Mr. Hagel are the minimum values, but then claim that they are most likely the maximum values a few posts later. Could it have to do with the fact that the Novasticks had much higher levels of vitamins A, D, and E than NLS?

No, it wouldn't. Without going back & re-reading everything that I have already posted in this thread, I believe my point all along to Mr. Hagel was that most of these values on labels are listed as min quantities, leaving the competition somewhat playing a guessing game as to the exact values used in their products. Mr. Hagel was attempting to goad me into divulging exact quantities, which of course I am not about to do, not on a public forum, or anywhere else. It was a nice try, but no cigar.

 

[Dan F]

What got me thinking in terms of the whole ratio thing was the fact that I take fish oils to help keep my cholesterol down. I know this product works for me because my blood test prove it; when i dont take it its higher, when I do its lower. These fish oils are a concentrated product and require many fish to produce. Not just fish but primarily the livers. So for Omega One to get the ratio of these Omega vitamins/oils that it wants in its food could it be they need a higher concentration of certain parts of the fish to achieve that? Yep that would do it.

Oh yeah Ford vs Chevy... Wait what about Dodge?

Dodge is Hikari - different thread, same rhetoric...

 

[Dan F]

Dan .........

No, it wouldn't. Without going back & re-reading everything that I have already posted in this thread, I believe my point all along to Mr. Hagel was that most of these values on labels are listed as min quantities, leaving the competition somewhat playing a guessing game as to the exact values used in their products. Mr. Hagel was attempting to goad me into divulging exact quantities, which of course I am not about to do, not on a public forum, or anywhere else. It was a nice try, but no cigar.

So... If "most of these values on labels are listed as min quantities", what leads you to believe that the quantities listed on the Novastick label are maximum values? I am having a hard time following your logic on this one...

 

[RD.]

Dan - it's a moot point, as vitamin premixes aren't exactly a high cost raw ingredient. Min, max, who cares? I'm not about to go back & re-read & re-think everything that I posted with regards to the vitamins listed in a food that I honestly have never even heard of, or know anything about.
Perhaps I was just being illogical on that day? It happens sometimes, I'm only human.

 

[Snowflake311]

Whatever my fish want they get. I feed Hikari gold the sinking kind are my big sa cichlids fav. They like veggie flakes too. My discus get ocean nutrition discus flakes and they all love them it's high in protien and has so much more I love it they love it what more could I want.

It depends on your fish and fish needs.

 

[DMD123]

Truthfully all of this is subject to certain perception and bias esp. if you have any vested interest.

If a true blind test were done with all parameters being equal same size tanks, equal water conditions same types of fish, maintenance, etc. with some control subjects being fed Omega One some being fed NLS; What would you find? In the grand scheme of things nothing, both groups would probably be just fine. They would both live the same amount of time or within normal captive lifespans, be healthy productive fish.

Both products have plenty of proof in healthy fish. So why the need to defend one product against another? Such a staunch stance for one product makes me wonder whats to gain? Me? Nothing I'm just a hobbyist who found my fish are doing just fine with the choices and care I give them. My chicken Mcnugget, Bologna, lunch meat, hot dog type fish food works just fine.

 

[dayak]

cool and interesting thread!!
i just bought NLS fish food for all my fish, even before i this thread surface, i have 2 kind of NLS fish food the floating xtra large with asian arowana pic on it and the theraflu A (pun intended) for sinking pellets. all my buttom fish feeders seems to like it no problem, knives, bichers, african chiclids, it is great fish food and inexpensive pound per pound.
the problem is my arowana dont like it, he so used to hikari product..now should i catch my aro and shove it in his throat to? LOL
other than that..its great fish food product

 

[reptileguy2727]

The good/bad thing is that we have gotten to a point where there are multiple foods that produce very good results short term results.

The question isn't growth rates, or even color. It is long term health. That is where it gets tricky. Honestly we don't completely understand what is ideal for the life of a fish that lives over twenty years. We are still in a point in time where most of our fish die of 'old age', when really none of them do. The truth is we don't know why they die and most likely it is some sort of subtle long term nutritional and/or water quality issue (I think the nutrition is a more significant issue).

Think about when you go to the doctor. Does he just look at you, check your color, make sure there are no open sores, obvious bacterial infections, or white fuzzy fungal infections? Absolutely not. He does 1,000 things that no aquarist ever does for his fish. Yet we think we are experts at fish health. In reality we can handle only very major obvious issues and almost nothing else.

I have found that people who consistently use NLS exclusively find that it is unbelievably better than anything else they used to feed, no matter what it is.

Omega One has artifical colors. That alone is a big issue for me. It means they are selling to the gut feeling of the human, not the nitritional needs of the fish. When you look at the foods from companies like Omega One and Ocean Nutrition the actual ingredients and nutritional facts from one food to the next do not vary at all. The one thing that does vary is the color of the flake or pellet.

If you read the nutritional article on NLS's site it does make some good points, especially with things like long term high fat levels. Granted some of it seems to be less supported than other points, but overall it seems dead on. I know it is written by the guy who owns one of the companies in question, but it is a good article.

IME most of the people who have used NLS exclusively for a good trial period don't go back to other foods. I suggest anyone who has fish and wants to provide the best diet possible for them try NLS. I don't consider Omega One (or any other foods really) on the same tier as NLS. The results are just too different.

I suggest the Thera+A formula. It has enough garlic to kill some parasites. People who have been feeding it exclusively have seen a noticeable drop in health problems in general.

 

[RD.]

If a true blind test were done with all parameters being equal same size tanks, equal water conditions same types of fish, maintenance, etc. with some control subjects being fed Omega One some being fed NLS; What would you find? In the grand scheme of things nothing, both groups would probably be just fine. They would both live the same amount of time or within normal captive lifespans, be healthy productive fish.

For most freshwater species, perhaps, but certainly not for many of the marine species that are kept in captivity. There is a reason why very few people feed Hikari, Tetra, Hagen, etc to their marine/reef tanks. Honestly, I don't think many people use much in the way of any of those foods in their marine systems. Try setting up a blind test that involves Moorish Idol, Achilles Tang, or even cleaner wrasse - then see how normal their captive lifespans are on an exclusive diet of Omega. In that regards NLS has proven itself for a couple of decades. Many of these delicate marine species will simply wither away in captivity when fed a diet of chicken Mcnugget, Bologna, lunch meat, hot dog type fish food.

Such a staunch stance for one product makes me wonder whats to gain?

I've been supporting New Life for many years, long before I had any vested interest in any commercial products. I've used them all over the years, and I've yet to find another food that equals or surpasses NLS in nutrient quality.

As previously stated, if you're happy with the results that you are getting from Omega, then feel free to carry on. It's not like I'm holding a gun to anyones head.