One of my Frogs

[BastardFish]

Any links to backup this?



Fishes have lateral lines too and they do fine in tanks.

Sure here you go



Housing

These are strictly aquatic anurans. At least 1 gallon of water
per animal, with the depth no more than 12 inches and no less than
six. Do not use distilled water. Bottles of tap water should stand
open for at least 1 day before being poured into the tank to outgas
chlorine and related chemicals. Alternatively, 2 tiny (1 mm cube)
crystals of sodium thiosulfate can be added to each gallon bottle at
least 1 day prior to use.
African Clawed frogs are specifically adapted for stagnant
water conditions. Although aesthetically pleasing to the keeper
mechanical and/or electrical filtration invariably produces adverse
long-term effects on the frogs. Constant water movement no matter
how slight is sensed through the highly developed lateral-line
system and results in severe stress. The effect is insidious and can
be compared to what would happen to a human if (s)he were
compelled to live where sandblasters and jackhammers were in use
24 hours a day.

 

[Mad About Cichlids]

Sure here you go



Housing

These are strictly aquatic anurans. At least 1 gallon of water
per animal, with the depth no more than 12 inches and no less than
six. Do not use distilled water. Bottles of tap water should stand
open for at least 1 day before being poured into the tank to outgas
chlorine and related chemicals. Alternatively, 2 tiny (1 mm cube)
crystals of sodium thiosulfate can be added to each gallon bottle at
least 1 day prior to use.
African Clawed frogs are specifically adapted for stagnant
water conditions. Although aesthetically pleasing to the keeper
mechanical and/or electrical filtration invariably produces adverse
long-term effects on the frogs. Constant water movement no matter
how slight is sensed through the highly developed lateral-line
system and results in severe stress. The effect is insidious and can
be compared to what would happen to a human if (s)he were
compelled to live where sandblasters and jackhammers were in use
24 hours a day.

Can you give us the link to the page where this info is comes from? Would to find out more.

 

[Catfish Keeper]

Can you give us the link to the page where this info is comes from? Would to find out more.

Didn't know this and just got one and I am going to move him. It says something similar to that in this http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/frogsandtoads/a/africanclawed.htm

 

[packer43064]

Any links to backup this?



Fishes have lateral lines too and they do fine in tanks.

Sure here you go



Housing

These are strictly aquatic anurans. At least 1 gallon of water
per animal, with the depth no more than 12 inches and no less than
six. Do not use distilled water. Bottles of tap water should stand
open for at least 1 day before being poured into the tank to outgas
chlorine and related chemicals. Alternatively, 2 tiny (1 mm cube)
crystals of sodium thiosulfate can be added to each gallon bottle at
least 1 day prior to use.
African Clawed frogs are specifically adapted for stagnant
water conditions. Although aesthetically pleasing to the keeper
mechanical and/or electrical filtration invariably produces adverse
long-term effects on the frogs. Constant water movement no matter
how slight is sensed through the highly developed lateral-line
system and results in severe stress. The effect is insidious and can
be compared to what would happen to a human if (s)he were
compelled to live where sandblasters and jackhammers were in use
24 hours a day.

I totally agree, their lateral line is super sensitive. From experience 5+ years with these frogs, they can live with a filter but they seem more happy without one. I have three in a 29 and had a filter for them for a few years and they always stayed near the bottom near the plants. Sure they would go out a bit near the bottom but never really explored the tank. I decided to remove the filter and see if they liked it better. Total change on all frogs, they swim near the top and like to sit at the top with their nose/eyes out., I even could actually feed them floating foods, they will come up and attack my finger think it's food, before this I had to feed sinking because they were so skittish.

Also when I moved into my apt(month ago) they were in a 30 gallon rubbermaid for a week while I got everything in, they came up like normal but when I walked in the kitchen(where the rubbermaid was) they could feel the vibration 5+ feet away and dart back down(thinking I'm a predator I would assume).They came back up once they knew it was me but super sensitive to the slighetst vibration. I'm sure it helps alot when predators are trying to get them and they can dart away in an instant.

 

[BastardFish]

yup you are right


Mad about cichlids, do a google search man if you are truely intersted in more of the same? I don't work for you just play here

 

[Mad About Cichlids]

Wondering who are these "experts" that says filter noise affect these frogs like jackhammer noise to humans?

Just trying to see if these frogs really have that sensitive of a lateral line.

I totally agree, their lateral line is super sensitive. From experience 5+ years with these frogs, they can live with a filter but they seem more happy without one. I have three in a 29 and had a filter for them for a few years and they always stayed near the bottom near the plants. Sure they would go out a bit near the bottom but never really explored the tank. I decided to remove the filter and see if they liked it better. Total change on all frogs, they swim near the top and like to sit at the top with their nose/eyes out., I even could actually feed them floating foods, they will come up and attack my finger think it's food, before this I had to feed sinking because they were so skittish.

Also when I moved into my apt(month ago) they were in a 30 gallon rubbermaid for a week while I got everything in, they came up like normal but when I walked in the kitchen(where the rubbermaid was) they could feel the vibration 5+ feet away and dart back down(thinking I'm a predator I would assume).They came back up once they knew it was me but super sensitive to the slighetst vibration. I'm sure it helps alot when predators are trying to get them and they can dart away in an instant.

What I don't get is fishes lateral lines and feel the same floor as these frogs too but they're fine with filters on. I'm pretty sure some or most fishes have more sensitive lateral lines than these frogs and they're fine with filters on.


What if these frogs just prefers calm waters with no currents and filters noise/vibrations has nothing to do with it?

yup you are right


Mad about cichlids, do a google search man if you are truely intersted in more of the same? I don't work for you just play here

It's fine if you don't feel like posting link to your sources .

 

[packer43064]

Wondering who are these "experts" that says filter noise affect these frogs like jackhammer noise to humans?

Just trying to see if these frogs really have that sensitive of a lateral line.






What I don't get is fishes lateral lines and feel the same floor as these frogs too but they're fine with filters on. I'm pretty sure some or most fishes have more sensitive lateral lines than these frogs and they're fine with filters on.

My fish never get freaked when I walk by unless I tap the tank which even then unless I bang on the glass do they even get freaked. Tap on a ACF tank and they freak out and run for cover, stirring up sand and moving decor around. My tadpoles/baby frogs are the same way as the adults, freak if they feel any vibration. Sure some fish might have more sensitive lateral lines, but none of the ones I've kept yet are even close. Ask anybody if they have accidentely banged a ACF tank and see what they say. Ask the same person what happened if they hit the fish tank. Most will say the frogs freaked out like no other while the fish either did nothing or maybe they went down in the water column a bit.

And I have stated already, you can have filters. I had them for a few years, but they did like it more when they had no filters. More exploritory,more active. Could it be because they prefer calm waters or maybe the constant racket was maing them stay near the bottom. I believe it was the constant vibration with the reasons I have explained.

What if these frogs just prefers calm waters with no currents and filters noise/vibrations has nothing to do with it?

Say they did just prefer calm/no current waters why did mine freak out when I walked just by. They couldn't see me I was 5 feet away, so it wasn't that. They felt the vibration and ran for cover.

They live in stagnant waters in the wild. If they were chilling at the top near the surface which they do often then they would swim down for cover when they hear a vibration or a disturbance in the water(a predator maybe).




It's fine if you don't feel like posting link to your sources .

Say they did just prefer calm/no current waters why did mine freak out when I walked just by. They couldn't see me I was 5 feet away, so it wasn't that. They felt the vibration and ran for cover.

They live in stagnant waters in the wild. If they were chilling at the top near the surface which they do often then they would swim down for cover when they hear a vibration or a disturbance in the water(a predator maybe).




My fish never get freaked when I walk by unless I tap the tank which even then unless I bang on the glass do they even get freaked. Tap on a ACF tank and they freak out and run for cover, stirring up sand and moving decor around. My tadpoles/baby frogs are the same way as the adults, freak if they feel any vibration. Sure some fish might have more sensitive lateral lines, but none of the ones I've kept yet are even close. Ask anybody if they have accidentely banged a ACF tank and see what they say. Ask the same person what happened if they hit the fish tank. Most will say the frogs freaked out like no other while the fish either did nothing or maybe they went down in the water column a bit.

And I have stated already, you can have filters. I had them for a few years, but they did like it more when they had no filters. More exploritory,more active. Could it be because they prefer calm waters or maybe the constant racket was maing them stay near the bottom. I believe it was the constant vibration with the reasons I have explained.

 

[Mad About Cichlids]

Say they did just prefer calm/no current waters why did mine freak out when I walked just by. They couldn't see me I was 5 feet away, so it wasn't that. They felt the vibration and ran for cover.

They live in stagnant waters in the wild. If they were chilling at the top near the surface which they do often then they would swim down for cover when they hear a vibration or a disturbance in the water(a predator maybe).




My fish never get freaked when I walk by unless I tap the tank which even then unless I bang on the glass do they even get freaked. Tap on a ACF tank and they freak out and run for cover, stirring up sand and moving decor around. My tadpoles/baby frogs are the same way as the adults, freak if they feel any vibration. Sure some fish might have more sensitive lateral lines, but none of the ones I've kept yet are even close. Ask anybody if they have accidentely banged a ACF tank and see what they say. Ask the same person what happened if they hit the fish tank. Most will say the frogs freaked out like no other while the fish either did nothing or maybe they went down in the water column a bit.

And I have stated already, you can have filters. I had them for a few years, but they did like it more when they had no filters. More exploritory,more active. Could it be because they prefer calm waters or maybe the constant racket was maing them stay near the bottom. I believe it was the constant vibration with the reasons I have explained.

Was the rubbermaid tub sitting on the floor and what floor do you live on?


I live in an apartment too and have had skittish fishes run for cover before I enter the room. And that was with the door already open so it was not because I opened the door. It's funny cause if you stand outside the room and slowly peak in you can see them out and about swimming around.

 

[BastardFish]

here you go man this is just one of many links that all say the same thing about these frogs. It does not really matter what one you pick if you do a search they all say the same thing

http://www.geocities.com/ptimlin/xenopus.html

 

[packer43064]

Was the rubbermaid tub sitting on the floor and what floor do you live on?


I live in an apartment too and have had skittish fishes run for cover before I enter the room. And that was with the door already open so it was not because I opened the door. It's funny cause if you stand outside the room and slowly peak in you can see them out and about swimming around.

Yeah the tub was just chilling on the floor.Ummmm The bathroom/bedroom is upstairs but everything else down, it's sort of weird, lol. Now, the frogs besides the tadpoles/froglets are upstairs. The fish/tadpoles/froglets are downstairs.

That's how the frogs are, if you sit near their tank for a few minutes they will venture back up then when you move away they sort of jolt, like what just happened kind of deal.

The whole jackhammer idea might be a little over extreme. With the few years they were with a filter that's alot of 24/7 jackhammer noise. I doubt they could live through that without getting infections from stress or just dying from stress. I doubt any of these people saying this are scientists or have studied this, probably one person said this and it just went on with more webpages being made about them. I get what their saying, but a little over the top considering I've had mine with a filter for several years. And no serious effects have happened. But it's all good. Good thread OP. Informative thread.