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Bolivian rams are a lor hardier than the other rams and quite easy to keep,not requiring the high temperatures and soft acidic water.

Regarding the west African cichlids, yes a lotwill do well on harems and is often the best way to keep them.
The thing that appeals most to me about West African cichlids is the multitude of interesting biotope tank mates you can add.
It's worth reading up on the area and it's fish as there are many interesting and unusual species.
 
Bolivians are much more hardy than blue rams.
I must have read that the Blue Rams were difficult assumed all Rams were difficult to keep then :rolleyes: oops!

The thing that appeals most to me about West African cichlids is the multitude of interesting biotope tank mates you can add.
It's worth reading up on the area and it's fish as there are many interesting and unusual species.
That's why I think I'm leaning towards a West African Biotope... I'm liking the idea of a small community more than a simple breeding pair with dithers. And the fact that you mentioned the plants that would be easy to care for also has my attention, as sooner or later I'd like to dive in to planted tanks so this may be a simple route to take

my goals for this tank are completely changing lol and I have a feeling the setup of the tank is going to change drastically as well... I'm liking the direction you guys are pointing me in
 
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I did see those on his list, and I don't think I've ever seen them posted on many forums or pages... how large do they get?[/USER]
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Whether or not a human agrees or disagrees with tank size in many ways isn't relevant.
Because the fish are the ones that will tell you.
If the tank is too small, aggression issues or stress related disease will occur,
I've have seen many posts by people who say a 50 or a 75 gallon tank, is by their standards, large enough for this or that fish, but often there are posts a few months later by the same people wondering why this fish or that fish is killing one that was fine yesterday, or wondering why do my fish have HITH .
The fish are pretty obvious about what they do or don't need.
 
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I will have to look further in to these as well, although I'm really liking the sound of more of a community tank and it might be crowded with a pair of these and dithers of some sort...



Because the fish are the ones that will tell you.
If the tank is too small, aggression issues or stress related disease will occur,
The fish are pretty obvious about what they do or don't need.
I agree 100%. As far as size of a fish in this tank, I was trying to keep it to fish that will not exceed 6"... given that the width of the tank would be 3x the max length of the fish and the length of the tank would be 6x the length of the fish... but keeping it to fish under 4" leaves more room for territories which obviously will help keep the aggression level at a low... as well as more room for dithers that would occur with the fish in the wild

All pieces of advise are being strongly considered, my list of possible stock has gone from maybe half a dozen different SA/CA fish to well over a dozen different dwarf cichlids, with a couple possible American cichlids on the list (being the septemfasciatus, nanoluteus, or Bolivian rams) :D
 
Shell dwellers are really cool too, would work nicely in a 40 I think.
 
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