Oscar type id
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Hello ,Those look a lot nicer than the lemon oscars that are all the rage nowadays. MaybeFINWIN might know, she’s been doing a lot of research and is probably up to date on various oscars
I like both lemon oscar and super red chilli oscars they are beautiful but sadly they are not natural. Breeders overfeeding them something to turn yellow or red. Before going back to Oscar hobby they are my aim but suddenly change my mind they are common here in South East Asia that cost $20 to $25. Because of the said experimentation of the breeders about them I have doubt about their lifespan. And there is new line in the market right now they called it Red Nemo oscar, it's like a copper oscar but the copper color is like the super red chilli oscar. In the US I have heard that Lemon and Chilli Red oscar are almost the same price like bumblebees but here in Southeast Asia bumblebees price is $100.
Happy fishkeeping
No worries on the grammar. As for mine being Orinoco, I've asked a lot of people wo regularly import wild Oscars and they were of the opinion they weren't Orinoco. Kevin and Jeff from TUIC and both were unable to determine catch location or if it was a true wild Oscar or not from the pics I provided them. As I said I've spent years trying to determine what they were as in my opinion they were the prettiest Oscars I have ever seen, and I asked various importers etc. to try and help me ID. them. They have unique orange freckling on the rear of the body and black freckling around the gills as well as the large amount of yellow coloration. I think it was Jeff who suggested that they may be a transitory stage in developing a line bred color morph such as a lemon Oscar but no one could ID it definitively so far.
It's true they aren't naturally occurring, but some are line bred such as the lemon Oscars as they were created years ago before some of the newer techniques being used in my understanding to get colors such as Platinum and Marbled strains were developed. The super red chilli's though might use color enhancing foods or something else as you said as they are a newer strain. And as you said this may negatively affect their overall longevity. You're definitely taking a risk buying line bred color morphs as due to the inbreeding used to get the desired traits passed on negative genetic traits are also strengthened making health issues etc. more likely. So I understand your reservations.
Hi thank you once again for the input. Yes the oscar that you posted upon looking closely looks like not an Orinoco, but overall yours is unique in my opinion it's a wild type based on the looks its not an ordinary oscar the looks is really in different level maybe its a Mikolji or maybe different unnamed wild oscar. I really do some reaserach about the pic you post because it's really beautiful and its hard to find, I always ends up on Mikolji and Orinoco but still different I think.. Maybe you can contact the person who buy and see what its looks now. ^_^
Thank you for the compliments on the Oscar. Though the pic says 2017 I actually sold them before then and don't know if the person is still in the hobby or on here as I believe it was a member here, I sold them too. They were a pair, I really messed up selling them.
The orinoco drainage & Gulf of Paria fish = Astronotus miklojii and is formally described as such.
The oscar from Rio Caqueta (Rio Japura in Colombia) is currently designated as Astronotus sp. Jurua.
The Rio Negro oscar is what was formally known as rubrocellatus and is know designated as Astronotus sp. Negro. This fish is rarely collected sadly, as it also has a unique pattern.
Astronottus crassipinnis which has a very distinct look and is easy to recognize is what come out of the Rio Araguaia, Paraguay, Rio Guapore near Mato grosso.
Astronotus ocellatus will likely be broken up even more due to the fish from the eastern parts of Brazil and in french guainna also awaiting formal description and currently being designated as Astronotus sp. “East”.
The oscars in peru and Argentina will likely be something new as well.
Each has enough physical and gentic difference to deem the new dseignations. When you se ethem all in person in bulk and regularly you can start to see the differences to an extant. Trying to pin a location blindly is not so easy. Crassipinnis being the most unique is the easiest to ID.
The orinoco basin has been closed to collection since April 1. it just reopened on june 1. So nothing wild has come out of that region during that time.
Brazil has more or less been close since J1 when IBAM went on strike. very, very few fish have exported out of Brazil in 2024 unfortunately.
The oscar from Rio Caqueta (Rio Japura in Colombia) is currently designated as Astronotus sp. Jurua.
The Rio Negro oscar is what was formally known as rubrocellatus and is know designated as Astronotus sp. Negro. This fish is rarely collected sadly, as it also has a unique pattern.
Astronottus crassipinnis which has a very distinct look and is easy to recognize is what come out of the Rio Araguaia, Paraguay, Rio Guapore near Mato grosso.
Astronotus ocellatus will likely be broken up even more due to the fish from the eastern parts of Brazil and in french guainna also awaiting formal description and currently being designated as Astronotus sp. “East”.
The oscars in peru and Argentina will likely be something new as well.
Each has enough physical and gentic difference to deem the new dseignations. When you se ethem all in person in bulk and regularly you can start to see the differences to an extant. Trying to pin a location blindly is not so easy. Crassipinnis being the most unique is the easiest to ID.
The orinoco basin has been closed to collection since April 1. it just reopened on june 1. So nothing wild has come out of that region during that time.
Brazil has more or less been close since J1 when IBAM went on strike. very, very few fish have exported out of Brazil in 2024 unfortunately.
This is great info!! Would you happen to know which one these yellow oscars are likely to be?
I believe those are line bred colors. There's no factual data connecting health or longevity with color. I've seen 14 inch Chili oscars, 13 inch albino and 12-13 inch lemons. It still boils down to care.
They're every bit as real as the others. Just different colors caused by selective breeding. Get the fish you want, not what opinions squeeze you into.
