Over-dosing Prime reduces oxygen??

[Toby_H]

Again, from Dictionary.com

Degrade - (Chemistry) to break down (a compound, esp. an organic hydrocarbon).

Biodegrade - to decay and become absorbed by the environment


So when the plastic “degrades”… where does it go… heaven?… nope… the environment…

Go back to post #82... I made many points in that thread… you laughed the whole thing off based on looking at a consistent clear liquid sitting in a glass, which proves/suggests nothing…
Feel free to address each point and share with the class where my logic is faulty…

The invitation still stands

 

[bigspizz]

Again, from Dictionary.com
Degrade - (Chemistry) to break down (a compound, esp. an organic hydrocarbon).
Biodegrade - to decay and become absorbed by the environment

So when the plastic “degrades”… where does it go… heaven?… nope… the environment…

Go back to post #82... I made many points in that thread… you laughed the whole thing off based on looking at a consistent clear liquid sitting in a glass, which proves/suggests nothing…
Feel free to address each point and share with the class where my logic is faulty…/QUOTE]

The invitation still stands

I already played your game, and look where it got me. That whole post was off, and you admit you got help to make it in the first place....I explained everything that was asked. Even when you have been specific enough to ask me to further explain something, i did...
Degrading and biodegrading are not the same thing. Actual organisms "eat" whatever is in question...There are no organisms that have currently evolved to the point where they can break down plastics. Look up bio-plastics..Please? Even with bioplastics, the high end of there "biodegradability" is up to 1,000 years...Common plastics go from there. U.V. degradation, is not the same process, as bio-degradation.

Keep it science, not personal.

 

[bigspizz]

Sorry, I quoted you before the fix...It looks a bit messy.

 

[bigspizz]

Rust is a form of corrosion, or degradation. Not BIOdegradation, just degradation. Although metals biodegrade (aluminum goes through passivation). Rust is related to oxidization, not biodegradation.


(that was your key point from post 82 or whatever)...

 

[Toby_H]

Actual organisms "eat" whatever is in question.

Can you please site a reference on this one…

When plastic degrades, or breaks down, what does it break down into? Many ‘plastics’ are petroleum based and therefore break down into petroleum. What organisms eat petroleum? Where does petroleum come from?

I am sitting back waiting for something to refute anything I said.

In post #82 I explained several processes that refute your statement that Prime builds up in our aquariums… Please feel free to debunk them… Although I will ask that you use facts, not opinions and site references when you make claims…


On to your Prime is heavier than water experiment…

Mix a glass of 50% drinking water and 50% prime… let this mixture sit undisturbed overnight…

In the morning take a straw and drink the top 35% or so of the mixture… If you are correct you will be drinking 100% drinking water, right?

No need to “sit back” and wait… now you have the chance to step up and prove yourself!

 

[Toby_H]

Rust is a form of corrosion, or degradation. Not BIOdegradation, just degradation. Although metals biodegrade (aluminum goes through passivation). Rust is related to oxidization, not biodegradation.


(that was your key point from post 82 or whatever)...

LOL, that wasn't my key point... I made several points and that wasn't the key to any of them...

and read those definitions of degrade and biodegrade again...

degrading means to break down... to biodegrade means to break down and be absorbed by the environment... Remember, bio is a prefix on the root word degrade

 

[apisto]

This is how all dechlorinators work:
4 NaClO + Na2S2O3 + 2 NaOH → 4 NaCl + 2 Na2SO4 + H2O

You make up your mind if this is naturally broken down. I've made up mine

 

[bigspizz]

This is how all dechlorinators work:
4 NaClO + Na2S2O3 + 2 NaOH → 4 NaCl + 2 Na2SO4 + H2O

You make up your mind if this is naturally broken down. I've made up mine

Naturally broken down? How does that relate to this?

That explains how Sodium thiosulfate reacts with chlorine. Prime is broader than that. It aims to fight Chlorine, Clorimines, aid in slime coat reproduction, and many others. Your formula needs to be more complex to accurately describe Prime. But yes, common dechlor, that is the formula.

 

[Toby_H]

Having talked to BigSpizz and clarified the mood in which I am presenting information…

Stepping away and considering how this ongoing debate would look to others…

I can completely understand that regardless of detail… I’ve shared my .02 well enough…

I do appreciate this thread as it motivated me to read a lot of information, consider a lot of points, have several in-depth conversations… all which resulted in me learning some things…

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this process by supplying information, challenging information or simply tolerating us eating up web space

I would like to say that if you are able to read this thread with a non judgmental open mind… A lot of good information has come out in this thread…

I think one conclusion that we can all agree on despite which side of the debate we chose… Prime is a great product and we would encourage you to consider using it

PS - Do not mix Prime and water and then drink it… not even off the top…

 

[sostoudt]

Re: Prime Building Up Over Time?

No, Prime only builds up for every instructed dose added (e.g. a 2x dose for the entire aquarium would mean you can replace all the aquarium water with chloramine-treated water, but you would have to dose after adding the water or replace 50% of the water only.). I said "2x", because if you had already dosed once, then you would have to does again. To make things simple you can still do the 1x recommended dose.


It lasts only 24 hours per instructed dose (i.e you dose to the proper liter/gallon of water).


It doesn't become toxic no matter how much you over dose, but it will deplete oxygen a bit more (that's what some people may refer to it as being toxic when they see their fish die by suffocation from extreme overdosing i.e a 20x dose).


I believe it oxidizes in the aquarium water or evaporates as a type of gas during 24 hours from the/an initial dose.

i just skimmed the 40 post debate or so, sorry if this answered in a earlier post. but the wording of the message from the seachem forum isnt clear to me.
does it mean, on average one dose(correct amount according to the bottle) is used up in chemical processes such as binding ammonia or nitrate is used up after 24 hours? so if i was to dose twice the amount it would take 48 hrs? or triple the amount 72 hrs?

or does it mean it just dissapears(oxidises or whatever method) after 24 hrs, no matter the dosage?

edit: im just interest in what was said in the seachem forum, and not if the information is accurate or not.