Overstocking rant

[12 Volt Man]

maybe someone can clarify the reason for "japanese style fishkeeping"

is it because of the specific appeal of big fish in smallish tanks

or

is it because large tanks are either hard to find over there or are very very expensive..so the average aquarist cannot aquire one as easlily?

thanks.

 

[davo]

RE: Plecos

"I need one of those Suck Mouth fishes to eat the crap off the bottom"

When I hear that. it makes me want to kill a kitten.

Ahmen! and a quick headbutt to the face.

 

[BushFishRox]

Well, I like the fact that people overstock their tanks and kill all the fish in it. It only means that I'll be buying those same used empty tanks for dirt cheap at garage sales. Keep those ammonia levels up peeps.

Who else did you think I was talking about?

The cause of that is not overstocking per-say it is people starting out that dont have the knowledge and have an uncycled tank and put a full stock of fish in the tank, and them not knowing about water changes which in turn kills the fish...

 

[Miguel]

maybe someone can clarify the reason for "japanese style fishkeeping"

is it because of the specific appeal of big fish in smallish tanks

or

is it because large tanks are either hard to find over there or are very very expensive..so the average aquarist cannot aquire one as easlily?

thanks.

I would say it is more than anything a cultural thing. The roots should I think, lie with lack of space, although they do have large tanks, mostly ( larger than many westerner ) So smallish tanks, as you say, is not the issue here, imo..


I do not know about average aquarists in Japan, regrettfully ( I know a lot of average aquarists in MFK, on the other hand ), unless those awesome, well filtered, healthy looking tanks we sometimes get to see ( and call japanese style ) are average fish keepers.

Because if they are, if what we see is average, 12 Volt, we're even more in the hobby stone age than we thought we were....

Imo....

 

[BushFishRox]

maybe someone can clarify the reason for "japanese style fishkeeping"

is it because of the specific appeal of big fish in smallish tanks

or

is it because large tanks are either hard to find over there or are very very expensive..so the average aquarist cannot aquire one as easlily?

thanks.

most homes are very small there because there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people there and so little space so ya they have decent sized tank 280gals and such but I guess they just like big fish, and I think they get them for dirt cheap apposed to most of us who pay out the waazoo for the same fish....

 

[ewurm]

Well, I like the fact that people overstock their tanks and kill all the fish in it. It only means that I'll be buying those same used empty tanks for dirt cheap at garage sales. Keep those ammonia levels up peeps.

Yes to this^^

 

[Lupin]

Ahmen! and a quick headbutt to the face.

I still can't believe some people wanted the common plec to clean their tanks. Worse, people only add the water when it has evaporated, not change even a small percent of it.

 

[ewurm]

Ahmen! and a quick headbutt to the face.

If I could headbutt morons to the face, it would save me a lot of stress and I would live longer. Right now my life expectancy is 34.

 

[Nova 8]

If I could headbutt morons to the face, it would save me a lot of stress and I would live longer. Right now my life expectancy is 34.

I don't know, with all that headbutting you'd be doing you'll probably be dead before 34, you'd get brain damage too.

 

[ShadowBass]

I understand what you're saying. Every time I mention some of my large fish in their growout tanks on any website but here I get flamed by someone.
In fact I've had a certain person tell me that if a baby fish that grows to a certain size is not housed in a tank that will fit them as an adult they're automatically stunted, I was like WTF?

I think part of it revolves around the mentality of certain websites. Newbies show up at the forum and see the regulars saying certain things, and instead of developing their own style of fishkeeping and going to several sources for information they decide to adopt the exact same style as the regs on that forum, and then spout the exact same misinformation. Because there is such a large amount of people that regularly frequent that forum flaming people, anyone that says "Hey, you dunno what you're talking about...." will get run off....

Could you imagine if I housed my 16 baby dats (all about 2 inches long and in a 55g) and 5 clown loaches (between 2-2 1/2 inches long, in the same tank) in a tank that would support their adult size?
I don't think I would even be able to feed them
They're going in a 6000 g tank eventually, so should I build that tank RIGHT NOW and throw them in there? According to some people, apparently. They'd have great water quality but probably starve to death. Well maybe not the clown loaches, they'd find anything on the bottom, but I'm pretty positive the dats would. How can you target feed fish if they're 1 inch long and in a massive tank? I already have a few small dats that would be severely stunted or starve to death if I could not feed food DIRECTLY to them.