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i dont like snakes
And I'm not a fan of a fair number of fish, as well as insects, arachnids, and all manner of other animals. But I don't condemn others because they like said animals, and I will defend their rights to keep those animals just as fiercely as I will defend my rights to keep mine.
 
Ego does play into keeping fish in inadequate space. That point is very much agreed. I pride myself in keeping smaller fish in my reef tanks and did away with fresh water monsters for this very reason. They should be able to roam their natural waters. Ive contemplated getting out of fish keeping for this very reason. I appreciate that not everyone feels the way that I do, but it should be noted that many of the points that I brought up are very valid.

Yes, you did bring up many valid points. My point is pretty much the same as your point, but I prefer to focus on the greater number of keepers who are properly maintaining these animals rather than the few who improperly maintain them.
 
Ego does play into keeping fish in inadequate space. That point is very much agreed. I pride myself in keeping smaller fish in my reef tanks and did away with fresh water monsters for this very reason. They should be able to roam their natural waters. Ive contemplated getting out of fish keeping for this very reason. I appreciate that not everyone feels the way that I do, but it should be noted that many of the points that I brought up are very valid.

Actually no they arnt. There is no reason for them not to be captivity. Plenty of people keep these very very well. But certain arrogant people believe they know better and can tell others what they cant keep.

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I guess im the only person that says screw the government. Im against permits and bans now and forever. Nobody but me has a right to tell me what I can keep.
 
Actually no they arnt. There is no reason for them not to be captivity. Plenty of people keep these very very well. But certain arrogant people believe they know better and can tell others what they cant keep.

Next question?


I guess im the only person that says screw the government. Im against permits and bans now and forever. Nobody but me has a right to tell me what I can keep.
I feels safer with permits as you will always have idiots to ruining the hobby for us. Even there are some bad apples in the bunch as I know someone feeding pet cats to his snakes but he was caught and the snake was forced to put down. Would you rather have an idiot to get a pet Saltwater Crocodile or an Albino Cobra or a pet leopard than a responsible person with a permit? Common senses are rare these days as we are living in the world, full of idiots.

We are against bans but we are not against permits. Look what happened to the snakeheads, because of an idiot thinks its good luck to release a snakehead in a pond or a river. And look what happened to Ohio zoo because an idiot thinks its good idea to release big predators into woods. No matter how many of responsible keepers are there, you will always have idiots.
 
i dont like snakes

Good for you. And I don't like stupid people. I hope you were drunk when posting this, any who does it on purpose is incomprehensibly brainless.

Ryan, precisely what I was talking about. Environment, just look at the kinds of enclosures prehistoric pets provide their retics, it gets the job done, retics are healthy, but it is just atrocious. If you may, it is somewhat like locking a mentally disabled person in a storeroom with maybe a ball, and sources of good food and water.
 
Ryan, precisely what I was talking about. Environment, just look at the kinds of enclosures prehistoric pets provide their retics, it gets the job done, retics are healthy, but it is just atrocious. If you may, it is somewhat like locking a mentally disabled person in a storeroom with maybe a ball, and sources of good food and water.

The mental image with that, can't stop laughing!!! I know, I'm sick. I have a drawing to do.

A few things I'd like to say.

Fudgey, just no. I've been bitten by pedigree dogs that just didn't like me, mainly smaller breeds. I still have the scar on my butt from that Chow.

You'd be surprised with what govt. officials will do with hybrids and exportation laws. With the pitcher plants I work with we have to show papers proving which species compose the hybrid, even though it's legal to ship hybrids involving endangered species.

Lep, thank you for using my favorite phrase, testicular fortitude. That made my night.
Also, most dog breeders/shelters do home checks to see if the prospective owner is fit to care for a dog. It would make sense to do the same with large reptiles that are threatened or endangered in the wild. I'd go as far to say that there should be an age limit on purchasing some large herps. This will make a small attempt at making sure the owner has a level of maturity and responsibility that is necessary when working with these animals. I know there are the occasional individuals who want to feed their neighbors dog to a large snake (my former neighbor), but that's a rare occurrence.

I agree that imports are necessary on occasion. Adding new blood to the gene pool in necessary to prevent inbreeding and genetic degradation. Otherwise we end up with animals with malicious deformities that resemble nothing of the original species.

They're already taking this ban much further in my state, lobbying to ban all pet snakes because they're "dangerous." Of course, HSUS and PETA are based in my state, and probably putting every effort into this ban. I need to make my cat skeleton marionettes and entertain them with my own version of Punch and Judy. That will distract them for a while.
 
Good for you. And I don't like stupid people. I hope you were drunk when posting this, any who does it on purpose is incomprehensibly brainless.

Ryan, precisely what I was talking about. Environment, just look at the kinds of enclosures prehistoric pets provide their retics, it gets the job done, retics are healthy, but it is just atrocious. If you may, it is somewhat like locking a mentally disabled person in a storeroom with maybe a ball, and sources of good food and water.

I haven't had a chance to take a look at what their enclosures are like, but how small are they? I know that the general recommended minimum for snakes that size is something like 4' x 8' x 2', but I certainly find that to be inadequate for something that's somewhat active such as a retic; that's certainly fine for a burm provided that you take it out for exercise on a regular basis, though.
 
I haven't had a chance to take a look at what their enclosures are like, but how small are they? I know that the general recommended minimum for snakes that size is something like 4' x 8' x 2', but I certainly find that to be inadequate for something that's somewhat active such as a retic; that's certainly fine for a burm provided that you take it out for exercise on a regular basis, though.

I don't know how big the cage actually is. But when you watch a video, and see the guy actually squeezing and pushing the retic into a cage its size? I find that insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GpPU2O0ZTE
This is not the same video I watched. The one I watched was far more insane.
 
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