P. schroderi - Flower Ray - Who has them?

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Largest = female flower
Mid size = female flower
small, very light = male flower
dark one is a MM female

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Flower ray is not named correctly also. It's not a Schroederi .p.schroederi have round discs like a motoro way larger eyes not as many ocelli on the tails and totally different head structure.the flowers as we know in the trade we just mistakenly classified many years ago.


Expect in the near future the flower rays we know that are identicle to tigers in every way except pattern to also get reclasdified or named as another species of p.tigrina
 
Flower ray is not named correctly also. It's not a Schroederi .p.schroederi have round discs like a motoro way larger eyes not as many ocelli on the tails and totally different head structure.the flowers as we know in the trade we just mistakenly classified many years ago.


Expect in the near future the flower rays we know that are identicle to tigers in every way except pattern to also get reclasdified or named as another species of p.tigrina
 
calgaryflames said:
the flowers as we know in the trade we just mistakenly classified many years ago.


Expect in the near future the flower rays we know that are identicle to tigers in every way except pattern to also get reclasdified or named as another species of p.tigrina
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Where do you have this information from?

According to current studies, the "flowers" we know from rio Negro and the Orinoco are indeed P.schroederi.
 
[SUP][/SUP]Only published data to date is from an outdated aqualog in which they clearly have two different types of p. schroederi . One being motoro like other exactly like a tiger.

Exporters have data all messed up also . They used this aqualog as guidelines and still probably do . Take a look .

Anders I don't know if you've kept them if you have a chance to go look at some in person please do so. They are not like potamotrygon. They are more like a paratrygon but something totally different . They have way smaller eyes. Totally different head ,jaw and spiracle structure . Very long tails and most of all a disc that's a much longer disc unlike the p.schroederi described in the only published data I know of. It explains that p.schroederi patterns are so variable and cannot be used to distinguish the species . But the flowers I'm talking about are not even the same body head ect. Like I just explained .

Some time ago this ray was poorly labeled possibly from a single specimen.

Now over all the years people have actually thought that the other ray is not a p.schroederi the one we call a false flower or Peru flower ?if you read closely to discriptions of the schroederi they are not tiger like and my flower is exactly the same thing as a tiger except patterns.
 
And they mature way later . This is where the myth of them being so hard to breed comes from.
people breed Leo's and motoros at 4 -5 years old and think all stingrays are the same .
If you look at the very limited few to have bred them they were massive very old rays . Vancouver aquarium in Canada successfully bred tigers this year .

Theirs many decades of scientific studies on potamotrygon genus maturity in the wild. 35 years for antenna rays . That's probably why we think they are impossible to breed . They are hard enough to keep alive for a month .most potamotrygon species we keep mature within 5-7 years on average.why are the tiger/flower so different? They are very sensitive like small eyes rays. Very picky and generally very hard to keep alive .
 
As were tigers p .menchacai and and originally described from Argentina and very comparable to falkneri ,this is where the myth of the falkneri being very similar to or the third ray in the tiger flower group.

Scroederi were classified in 1957 as a very variable ray . All that link is on roggen forum is a collaboration of photos . Schroederi are discribed being very similar to p humerosa or p dumerilli ??
 
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